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Old 10-28-2002, 08:09 PM
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"24" Season 2, Episode 1 - 8:00 a.m. - 9:00 a.m. (SPOILERS)

24, Season 2
Episode 1
8:00 a.m. - 9:00 a.m.

Possible spoilers ahead!

This thread presented as a service of the 24 Club. The irony does not escape us.

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Old 10-28-2002, 08:28 PM
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I'm pumped. It looks good.

Rule number one of the new "24 club":

Suspend your disbelief enough to accept that everything is happening in one day...again, with all major events happening at the end of each hour...again.
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:43 AM
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w00t! I'm ready too.

BTW - make sure you hit the can before the show starts, it's commecial free this week.
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:50 AM
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I'm ready.
I can't wait.
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Old 10-29-2002, 11:55 AM
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You scared me! I thought I'd missed the premier. Okay, all is well.

Buffy is a repeat tonight, but at least there's the new 24.
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Old 10-29-2002, 02:22 PM
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8 AM to 9 AM? Shit! I've already missed it!!!

Is this Central time that you are talking about? I thought it came on at 9 pm (8 central) last season.
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Old 10-29-2002, 07:10 PM
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Bump.

No, yosemitebabe, the episode is called "8:00am - 9:00am". It's being aired 9est/8cst this evening.

Alright, folks. This is the last you'll see of me and KtK in this thread until next spring.
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:06 PM
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WOW!

That was a heck of an episode.

That computer geek girl is sooooo cuuuuuute! I call dibs!

Oh, and I also want the rugged
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:20 PM
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Ack! Stupid computer.

That was supposed to read: "I also want the rugged looking Keif Sutherland with the beard".
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:36 PM
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WOW!

That was a heck of an episode.

That computer geek girl is sooooo cuuuuuute! I call dibs!
You can't mean Sara Gilbert, right? How old are you, BlackKnight? I'll always think of her as the awkward 14 year old girl from Roseanne, I just can't realign my perceptions that easily.

I think the best part was when he just shot that guy in cold blood. "Get a hacksaw." LOL.

And I'll echo the "too many blondes" remark. Christ, it was tough work just keeping up with all the blondes involved. Toss a raven-haired girl in there somewhere, maybe a redhead, a little variety.

However, I thought the guy beating his wife and looking lustfully towards Kiefer's daughter...that was just icky and disturbing. I didn't need to see that, hear that, or think about it. I'm glad he turns into a more traditional gun-toting villian next week.
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:47 PM
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"I also want the rugged looking Keif Sutherland with the beard".
Sorry, he's mine. Keep yer hands off.
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:51 PM
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I didn't watch the first season of 24 for no particular reason other than I happen to work when it was aired but I'll definately be watching this one as I'm already hooked.

Do we know any of the bad guys from the first season?

I hope this isn't too much of a hijack and I don't really need an indepth answer, just a simple yes or no as I'm going out to buy the first season tomorrow or the next day.

Man Kiefer looked like his dad when he had his beard...
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Old 10-29-2002, 09:54 PM
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You can't mean Sara Gilbert, right?...I'll always think of her as the awkward 14 year old girl from Roseanne, I just can't realign my perceptions that easily...

I hereby officially volunteer Sara Gilbert to personally eat the bomb, piece by piece, knowing very well it will mean her untimely demise. This should take place as soon as possible.

Unless she can make some sort of amazing shift in her "acting" abilities, this could very well be one the worst casting decisions ever.

That having been said, I liked the episode.
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Old 10-29-2002, 10:10 PM
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Pretty nice how they've got a top-secret situation room--fully stocked with important NSA people--not ten minutes from where Palmer was fishing in northwestern Oregon. (Lake Oswego, by the way, is an affluent and very populated suburb of Portland. It's not that idyllic.)
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Old 10-29-2002, 10:22 PM
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"i'm gonna need a hacksaw"
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Old 10-29-2002, 10:32 PM
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Gadarene, I'm sure they had to make some accomodations in the travel time because there were no commercials. They could have used an extra 5 minutes or so to get President Palmer to some downtown office or something, or at least make it seem a bit more plausible. The absense of commercials made the travel time discrepancies more noticable that it probably otherwise would have been. And if it makes you feel better, presume that it took awhile to find Palmer for some reason, and they'd been flying NSA guys in for the last couple hours.
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Old 10-29-2002, 11:02 PM
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Well, except that they only just found out about the whole thing--but yeah, my disbelief is willingly suspended starting...now.

By the way, RexDart, expect a response to your really interesting post in my GD thread sometime tomorrow. Back to reading Evidence...
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Old 10-29-2002, 11:06 PM
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You can't mean Sara Gilbert, right? How old are you, BlackKnight? I'll always think of her as the awkward 14 year old girl from Roseanne, I just can't realign my perceptions that easily.
I'm 21. And I never watched Roseanne.
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Old 10-29-2002, 11:46 PM
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Well, except that they only just found out about the whole thing--but yeah, my disbelief is willingly suspended starting...now.
I think the show is entertaining enough to warrant a little suspension of disbelief. It's not like it's Bruckheimer-esque in outrageousness. Even the most well-written scripts need a little suspension of disbelief, and this show's unique format requires just a little more, but it trades you the real-time thing for it.

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By the way, RexDart, expect a response to your really interesting post in my GD thread sometime tomorrow. Back to reading Evidence...
Yeah, I ought to be reading for Evidence right now too. We just started hearsay, and I missed today from illness. Good thing I read ahead a little, I hate playing catchup in a law class, it's next to impossible.
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Old 10-29-2002, 11:57 PM
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Oh, we've been knee-deep in hearsay for weeks now...

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Old 10-30-2002, 12:11 AM
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Hey, hey. hey. Darlene Connor was cute, okay?

This season looks good. I'll probably miss most of it again becuause of work, like I did last year, but hopefully not.

And, could someoen set up Kim's living sitiation? Last I knew it Jack Bauer/wife/daughter. Who were the people Kim was staying/living with?
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Old 10-30-2002, 12:31 AM
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jjtm: I am guessing that she took a job as a nanny. It's been about a year since the last "24 Hours"—in that time, Jack became "inactive", and Kim obviously needed to do something with her time...so nanny she is.

Munch: Thanks for the clarification on the time thing. I was mighty confused there!
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Old 10-30-2002, 01:50 AM
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Too many blondes!! sheesh!! At least i recognized the one tht was getting married from some B movies. Its nice to see Darlene is now a CTU agent, and Ensign Ro got a job in NSA! Jack wasting the smug witness was cool, i dare another show to make their hero murder someone in cold blood during the season premeir, then get a hacksaw! Hooked for the season i am!
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:10 AM
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Jack wasting the smug witness was cool, i dare another show to make their hero murder someone in cold blood during the season premeir, then get a hacksaw! Hooked for the season i am!
Yeah, good stuff so far! I have to know what the hacksaw's for (though I can guess)!

I dug the way they telegraphed the wife-beater's actions way before you found out for sure... early on, when the wife is getting breakfast, she arranges the bacon on his plate just so. It set of a little bell in my head. Nice touch.
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:21 AM
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Jack wasting the smug witness was cool, i dare another show to make their hero murder someone in cold blood during the season premeir, then get a hacksaw! Hooked for the season i am!
I'm glad that was both of our favourite parts, Tars. We're still addicted to the gore! (But only you are addicted to Gore.) But don't "visualize Pavelka leaving" quite yet, I think "get a hacksaw" would resonate with him for some reason
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:37 AM
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Hooray for inside jokes!! hopefully he will stumble across this thread eventually.
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Old 10-30-2002, 04:13 AM
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Guess for next week: The hacksaw was so Jack can take the smug witness' (SW) head to the guy he needs to talk to as evidence that SW was the guy who sent him to jail, not Jack; so Jack can jump start the trust process he mentioned (It normally takes six weeks) and drill the information out of the guy.

If you want to see Sutherland looking cool with a beard, rent the Disney version of 3 Musketeers and watch with the sound off. This beard was a little TOO bushy. I got the feeling he was invoking both his dad and Dan Haggarty.

Yes, the Kim living situation was answered at breakfast. The mom (whom I remember from the series premiere of Angel and have lusted for since) told the kid, "I love you." The kid said, "What about Kim?" Mom replied with, "Kim's the best nanny ever."

Here's hoping the evil smarmy dad will die a horrible death, preferably with a fire poker.

I loved Jack's running out of the CTU and then wrestling with his sense of duty in the parking lot and truck. It was very convincing to me.

BTW, the president's security advisors normally do set up a mobile command center close to where the president happens to be. Not close enough to get to in ten minutes, I wouldn't think, but close enough that it didn't jar me all that hard. I gulped and said, "Okay, I'll just take that on faith."
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Old 10-30-2002, 09:05 AM
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1. Too many blondes. Even my husband the blonde lover agreed.

2. Pretty slick how they avoided any real life uproar by having the President READ the name of the 'middle eastern' country, rather than saying it aloud.

3. I'll go out on a limb right now and say that his advisor who wants him to think up a response RIGHT NOW is in on the plot. He's trying to start a war.

4. And for that matter, I think Paula is in on it too.

See you next week!

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Old 10-30-2002, 09:59 AM
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I missed the commercials. I didn't realize until this ep that, because there are so many things happening in the show that I needed the commercials to evaluate what was actually going on.

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Old 10-30-2002, 10:05 AM
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Sigh . . . looks like I may have added another show to the massvie amount of TV watching in my life. But now that girlsclub is cancelled, I need something to fill the void.

I didn't watch the first season, so I'll be lurking around for the most part, but Kim struck me as clever and resourceful. I'm thinking of how she lied about having the kid in the bath to cover up the fact they heard the beating and shouting. Is she just her father's daughter or is this something new?
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Old 10-30-2002, 10:24 AM
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Roll up your sleeves bitches. Jack's back and he just don't care anymore. He trusts nobody and his own life means almost nothing to him (remember the way he looked at the gun!). He kills freely. When it comes to a nuclear threat he'll get all the room he needs from the president. They have made him a hard-core mother fucker and I'm drooling over here! Kieffer is much more impressive on the small screen then he is on the big one.

Oh, and daddy's little girl lost some weight. She's looking hotter then hell. Odds she gets out of the city, anyone?

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Old 10-30-2002, 10:51 AM
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I concur with the dj and add in another vote for too many blondes. Damn, that was confusing.

As for the odds of Kim getting out of L.A. .... well, never tell me the odds!




Oh, yeah. Thanks, Tars for pointing out Ro Laren. I knew I recognized her, but I couldn't figure it out without the squinchy nose and gaudy earring.
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure Jack used the hacksaw to shave off his full beard in about 45 seconds
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:18 AM
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I didn't watch the first season, so I'll be lurking around for the most part, but Kim struck me as clever and resourceful. I'm thinking of how she lied about having the kid in the bath to cover up the fact they heard the beating and shouting. Is she just her father's daughter or is this something new?
Nope, nothing new. Kimmy kicked ass in the last season. More about that to follow...

I thought it was a very promising start. Some thoughts:

Good
  • Tony's back. Tony rocks. Though he's shaved his soul patch. Usually, I think those things look stupid, but it suited him.
  • Sara Gilbert as Paula. I loved seeing her again. (Fie on you, Mr. Blue Sky!) Although I share jarbaby's suspicion that she may be "in on it".
  • What dj said. (Yeah, baby!)

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  • The Kimmy I know from last season (brave little soldier) would not take that shit from Bad Dad. She kicked much scarier ass than his on a regular basis. But then, this is her new job, her new home, maybe she's a bit attracted to him...Nah, I still don't like it. She should kick his ass.
  • Too many blondes.

Interesting/Speculation
  • NSA, or some US intel group, is using South Korean torturers to get information. Wonder if we're going to hear more about this later on, or if it was just the lead-in?
  • That dictator guy said Palmer would "make an enemy of over a third of the world's population" if his country was bombed. Does he mean Muslims, or what? Are there that many of them?
  • I hope they find a way to tie these bad guys into the Drazen family (bad guys from last season, for you new fans) so they can work Nina in to this one. Or find some other way to work her in. I liked Nina.
  • Hopefully, Kim will come up with a plan to get her and the little girl away from Bad Dad. This will involve distracting him, and to accomplish this she will put on that little vest she wore for most of last season. Yum!
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:40 AM
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Yes, Ferrous, I took the 1/3 of the population as being the Muslims.

Sorry about that but I have a quick hijack question... I tried to watch season 1 but could not hang on to 24 episodes, I am trying this season (but they should play 2hrs in row!) ... but anyway : how did his wife die???

Thanks!
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:47 AM
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I had asked-- in the non-OP containing thread that really should have been a post in this one-- who are the blondes? I missed the first 15 minutes or so and was totally confused by the blond situation.

Kim I have figured out. Is the woman she's working for related in some way to the other blonde marrying the suspected terrorist and her blond sister? The same person even maybe?
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:48 AM
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Jack's wife was killed by Nina, who turned out to be the mole at CTU.
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Old 10-30-2002, 11:59 AM
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who are the blondes?
Kim is the nanny for one blonde's kid. Then in another thread of the story there are two blonde sisters. One of the sisters is getting married to the sinister Reza while the other sister is somewhat suspicious of the groom-to-be.

I thought this was a promising opening episode. I wonder how they'll tie Nina in? I thought I read she's part of the cast this year, so there should be an interesting plotline with her.
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Old 10-30-2002, 12:00 PM
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Elisha Cuthbert and some other stuff. Great show.
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Old 10-30-2002, 12:03 PM
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I thought the blonde wife who employs Kim was the sister of the blonde who is getting married. Is that right?
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Old 10-30-2002, 12:09 PM
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no no Ferrous, you have getting your blondes confused!!
Two different persons here!
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Old 10-30-2002, 12:17 PM
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Too many damn blondes!

Anyway, Zoff, I went poking around on Fox's website, and Nina (Sarah Clarke) is indeed on the slate for this season.
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Old 10-30-2002, 12:22 PM
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Blonde this, blonde that, did Hugh Hefner cast the show this season???
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:15 PM
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Grrr. The server ate my post. Here's the best reconstruction I can come up with.

As to the "too many blondes" gripes: While I'm not a blonde lover myself (redheads redheads redheads), I thought the casting was pretty SoCal realistic. I didn't have any problem keeping them straight. It's not like they look like each other or anything.

[Nathan Lane voice] This is not Short Attention Span Theater, people [/Nathan Lane Voice]

Second, what is the deal with Tony? Is this guy destined to look goofy? He traded in last season's not great but not terrible soul patch for the worst haircut on a currently running series. In the first five seconds he was on screen I said, "Why is Tony wearing one of Sy Sperling's (sp?) old toupees?" It looks like a leftover prop from Caligula.

Third, as to Kim kicking evil dad ass: She's very much Jack's daughter in that her first priority was to protect the little spawn. Dad booty kicking will have to wait until the droplet is save or until the threat is immediate and won't be jacked up by her acting. Hopefully that'll happen very soon. I friggin' hate this guy.
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Old 10-30-2002, 02:43 PM
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Kim in her underwear. Jack taking no prisoners and giving George the contempt at every opportunity. "Gimme a Hacksaw". YES.
This is gonna be a great season.

Between this show, Alias, and the upcoming season of The Shield, I am one happy TV viewer.
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Old 10-30-2002, 03:34 PM
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Third, as to Kim kicking evil dad ass: She's very much Jack's daughter in that her first priority was to protect the little spawn. Dad booty kicking will have to wait until the droplet is save or until the threat is immediate and won't be jacked up by her acting. Hopefully that'll happen very soon. I friggin' hate this guy.
I don't know...Guts she had, and to spare. But patience? Self-restraint? Wisdom? Not so much. (Remember her standing up in the middle of a firefight?)

But still, as long as she kicks his ass pretty soon, I'll give her (and you) the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 10-30-2002, 03:40 PM
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Anyway, Zoff, I went poking around on Fox's website, and Nina (Sarah Clarke) is indeed on the slate for this season.
Thanks for the info. Bad Nina is so much hotter than Good Nina.
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Old 10-30-2002, 03:42 PM
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I don't know...Guts she had, and to spare. But patience? Self-restraint? Wisdom? Not so much. (Remember her standing up in the middle of a firefight?)
My sentiments exactly. I thought she made repeated breathtakingly stupid decisions last season. Hey, I'm not exactly an expert on counter-terrorism, but if my CTU dad told me to stay down, I'd stay down.

She'll find herself in peril again this season, I'm sure.
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Old 10-30-2002, 04:45 PM
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If Kim weren't in peril, her character would be quite dull.

Jack: Kim leave town now.
Kim: OK, where?
Jack: Aunt Carol's
Kim: OK, I'll talk to you tomorrow.

Of course, I would love that plot line as I found Kim's character to be incredibly annoying.
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Old 10-30-2002, 04:54 PM
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As a fan of the violent and sexually bizarre, my only wish for this season is that ONE of these blondes gets a reeeeeeel good, full arm, backhanded bitchslap.

That sort of thing is the stuff of dreams.
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