V: 1.03, "A Bright New Day" (Open Spoilers)

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I don't mean to step on cmyk's toes, but there wasn't a thread for tonight's episode. This show is actually getting better. So Lisa is Anna's daughter! So maybe they actually are going for the hybrid child (please let them skip that mysterious powers and rapid aging). I suspected the death threat was a ploy all along. I didn't see the V physician being 5th Column until Dale actually remembered Erica "killing" him. The Visitor writing was the same as in the original. Did anyone else see the original V symbol (that looked like a swastika) flash for a moment on one of the screens, or was that just me? Only one more episode before this goes on hiatus 'till spring.

[WarmNPrickly]

Is this going to be a miniseries like the original, or will it drag on indefinitely?

[Oakminster]

I think there are 10 episodes. We get one more, and then ABC, in its infinite wisdom, will bogart the rest until March.

[ivylass]

I enjoyed it. I whooped when Joshua turned out to be Fifth Column...enough that my son came rushing in to see what was wrong.

Do you think if Erica hadn't come home that Tyler and Lisa would have done the nasty?

So Dale's been undercover for 20 years and is not the only V at the FBI. Excellent.

We missed bits and pieces because The Princess Bride was on and my son and I were trying to see how much of the dialogue we could recite along with the movie. .

Oh, and FTR, the sword fight between Montoya and Count Ruger is The Best Swordfight Ever in Cinema.

[Fear Itself]

This thread has a very interesting mouse-over.

[Merijeek]

The show is definitely improving.

I think it's amazing that they're going to go on hiatus just as it's getting good. That's just silly.

Then again, they managed to make Morena Baccarin look like hell, so who knows what's going on in their heads.

-Joe

[cmyk]

Not at all alphaboi. Thanks for starting it (and keeping the V masthead ), I was tied up with work and couldn't even watch until later last night.

Random thoughts:

I didn't see the original symbol, but I was looking for it. I did like that their alphabet was very similar looking to the original symbol.

Things are getting interesting. When will they reveal that Tyler's friend is a V? Didn't see the Mother thing coming until just before the girl said it. Also... nice underwear! Ahem...

So, is Dale dead for good good? I really liked his character. I hope not.

I'm digging the Vs amped up technology. Love the camera patches on the jackets. The meeting with all 29 captains was cool. Apparently their hologram technology is really advanced. Usually I roll my eyes at that sort of stuff, but I like it here, because it's saying just how much more advanced they are to us.

I like looking for hidden V formations. Like how the 29 captains were arranges in a V.

I wonder if the female Vs are the dominant gender. I think that would make it a bit interesting if they took that route. The females would be more cunning and manipulative, and the males are more soldier ant-ish. But I suppose not, as we've already seen a good mix of males and females in various roles.

Before the hiatus arrives, I'd like to see some full on alien without their human skin.

Also, I believe ABC intends for this to be a full blown series, with multiple seasons... if the ratings hold up. Right?

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by cmyk

Also, I believe ABC intends for this to be a full blown series, with multiple seasons... if the ratings hold up. Right?

I've not seen it referred to as a "mini" series, and they are definitely pacing things to make it last, so if the ratings hold out I'm sure it'll be back indefinitely.

-Joe

[VunderBob]

Originally Posted by cmyk

I wonder if the female Vs are the dominant gender. I think that would make it a bit interesting if they took that route. The females would be more cunning and manipulative, and the males are more soldier ant-ish. But I suppose not, as we've already seen a good mix of males and females in various roles.

[snippage]

Also, I believe ABC intends for this to be a full blown series, with multiple seasons... if the ratings hold up. Right?

I've not seen any potential sleepers that are female; all of my suspects are guys. Just sayin...

I hope it goes for more than one season so Elizabeth Mitchell has a job, seein' how she got herself nuked on Lost...

That was the best underwear scene in prime time for a near eternity, both for the shock humor, AND the scenery value...

[running piglet cheese]

So, who wrote "John May lives"? The V response time really sucks if our black dude had time to clean up and get rid of evidence before they got there.

How they are going to save our heroine is beyond me. They did get rid of the witness from the warehouse, but there is still the surrveilance video of her in the screening room.

I am with the poster who commented that a reptilian species would not be attracted sexually to humanoids. This was confirmed by injured V saying how disgusted he was faking it with his wife. So our black dude being so in love with fiance really is stretching the believability on that particular issue.

How do you know the son's friend is a V? Did I miss something, or are you just guessing?

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by running piglet cheese

So, who wrote "John May lives"? The V response time really sucks if our black dude had time to clean up and get rid of evidence before they got there.

How do you know the son's friend is a V? Did I miss something, or are you just guessing?

Which one? The guy or girl?

As for "John May Lives", that was obviously Ryan. He didn't have to clean anything up because it LOOKS like a disguised V killed spontaneously combusts or something. That, or Ryan had time to torch the body to ash, which I'm doubting. That also helps cover up the "what happens if a V infiltrator slips and breaks his neck in the shower?" question.

-Joe

[BKReporter]

So, did the visitors convert the fighter pilot's wife?

[cmyk]

Originally Posted by running piglet cheese

How do you know the son's friend is a V? Did I miss something, or are you just guessing?

I'm just totally guessing. You didn't miss anything. But he went out of his way to set the chick V up with Tyler. Seemed a little too convenient.

[cmyk]

Originally Posted by BKReporter

So, did the visitors convert the fighter pilot's wife?

Well, they showed Anna practicing her weepy pitch before they met. So, yeh, she was manipulated by Anna's rhetoric and bullshit.

ETA: Unless they used that "Bliss" drug on her? Also... who the hell is John May?

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by cmyk

Well, they showed Anna practicing her weepy pitch before they met. So, yeh, she was manipulated by Anna's rhetoric and bullshit.

Pretty sure what was meant was the old V "stick them in the magic chamber and make them a V-lover".

Probably not. I don't think we'll see that kind of schlocky 80's tech.

-Joe

[running piglet cheese]

"As for "John May Lives", that was obviously Ryan"

Why would Ryan want to alert the V's that the 5th column has been resurrected? Wouldn't you want to stay off their Vdar as long as possible?

[KneadToKnow]

Originally Posted by BKReporter

So, did the visitors convert the fighter pilot's wife?

Not in the "Diana in the conservatory with the conversion machine" sense, I don't think so. From a dramatic standpoint, it make more sense if they just won her over the old-fashioned way (lying) so that she can be all the more pissed off later when/if she discovers the truth.

[Oy!]

If a V agent was disgusted by humans (which would be perfectly understandable), why in the name of all that's holy would that agent marry?!? It's not like he had to in order to fit in. Also, I thought it was strange that Dale ranted about how disgusting it was to lie beside his wife every night, but never said anything about more intimate interactions. If I were an alien, I think kissing my wife (assuming I was male, which I'm not) daily and having sex with her now and then would come a lot higher on my revulsion list than just having to lie beside her.

I hate how the Vs refer to their own species as Vs when speaking to one another in private. I mean, I assume we're hearing "translations" of their own language, but would any being refer to its own group as Visitors or the diminutive Vs? Wouldn't the people in power refer to their own race as something like "The People" or "The Race," and the rebel Visitors call their V opponents Republicans or Democrats or Crown Loyalists or Anna-istas or something? It sounds silly for the alien rebels to talk about destroying the Vs, since they themselves are Vs. Their differences are political, not physical.

Did anyone else notice that every one of the 29 ships' commanders was male, as were the members of the security forces they sent to liase with the FBI?

Speaking of which, can you imagine ANY circumstance under which a supposed human who attempted to assassinate a Visitor would be turned over to the Visitors for justice? If the Vs have penetrated the government that deeply, why are they bothering with all the rest of this? The whole thing is ridiculously over-engineered. You want an assassination attempt for propaganda value? Recruit a human crazy and turn him over to human justice after he's caught. It's not like there's any lack of human crazy to work with.

This show gets increasingly implausible, at least to me.

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by running piglet cheese

"As for "John May Lives", that was obviously Ryan"

Why would Ryan want to alert the V's that the 5th column has been resurrected? Wouldn't you want to stay off their Vdar as long as possible?

Not really.

They are obviously ON the Vdar, seeing as how their people are being hunted down and killed - not just at the warehouse, but through the sting organized by Cyrus.

It's really just a bit of bravado. We're here. We're queer (in a human-loving way). Get used to it!

-Joe

[KneadToKnow]

Originally Posted by Oy!

This show gets increasingly implausible, at least to me.

That's a bold statement, considering the first 10 minutes or so of the first episode.

[Glory]

It was so hard for the VBI agent to remember what happened to him, if ONLY he had at tiny camera he could have been wearing to record his every moment. Too bad the Vs couldn't think of THAT!

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by KneadToKnow

That's a bold statement, considering the first 10 minutes or so of the first episode.

You know, I can understand certain complaining, but not others.

Want to complain about VWash getting married as part of his cover, but he found it disgusting and so it's totally implausible that he would do it?

Umm...maybe he was ordered to? You know, the whole reason he was there dealing with those stinky humans in the first place?

And I'm curious, in a real-worldy kind of way, if I were to go to an embassy, actually get inside, and then get arrested for trying to kill a diplomat, would I be immediately returned to US authorities, or would I end up in V custody since I had an attempted murder on V soil?

-Joe

[Oy!]

Originally Posted by Merijeek

You know, I can understand certain complaining, but not others.

Want to complain about VWash getting married as part of his cover, but he found it disgusting and so it's totally implausible that he would do it?

Umm...maybe he was ordered to? You know, the whole reason he was there dealing with those stinky humans in the first place?

And I'm curious, in a real-worldy kind of way, if I were to go to an embassy, actually get inside, and then get arrested for trying to kill a diplomat, would I be immediately returned to US authorities, or would I end up in V custody since I had an attempted murder on V soil?

-Joe

Why would he be ordered to marry? What possible gain could there be, unless the wife was in some way a source of important info to the aliens? There's been nothing to suggest that she was important in any way.

In a real-worldy kind of way, no ETs involved, I think there'd be a hell of an extradition battle, either way, particularly if the embassy was of a country known to use measures of which, until this past administration, the US did not approve.

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by Oy!

Why would he be ordered to marry? What possible gain could there be, unless the wife was in some way a source of important info to the aliens? There's been nothing to suggest that she was important in any way.

I don't know, but lots of other questions seem to be getting answered by people asking, "Why don't they do this?". So, I'll be nice enough to let them go for now.
[/quote]

Originally Posted by Oy!

In a real-worldy kind of way, no ETs involved, I think there'd be a hell of an extradition battle, either way, particularly if the embassy was of a country known to use measures of which, until this past administration, the US did not approve.

And in the meantime they'd be held...?

-Joe

[ivylass]

I was thinking "reconnected" = Borg hive mentality, and Cyrus was booted out when he turned traitor.

I'm thinking they replaced the soldier's wife with a V, and that she's screaming and beating on the cell door somewhere on the mothership.

And the "assassin" turned out to be a V plant.

It's cheese, but it's good cheese.

[Merijeek]

Originally Posted by ivylass

I was thinking "reconnected" = Borg hive mentality, and Cyrus was booted out when he turned traitor.

It can't be too strong - if it was, Ana wouldn't have had to have her little videoconference. I think it's more like a combination of DirecTV (your code can be deactivated) and Soma (Brave New World).

-Joe

[alphaboi867]

Originally Posted by Oy!

...Also, I thought it was strange that Dale ranted about how disgusting it was to lie beside his wife every night, but never said anything about more intimate interactions...I hate how the Vs refer to their own species as Vs when speaking to one another in private. I mean, I assume we're hearing "translations" of their own language...

I assumed "lie beside his wife" included sex. He simply didn't want to describe in detail for Joshua because it was so disgusting. If the new Vs are as totalitarian a society as they were in the original then it is believable they the sleepers would be subject to conditioning and surpress their disgust out of duty.

Having the Visitors refer to themselves as "Vs" in private with eachother bothers me too. I wouldn't be so sure about us hearing a "translation" of the Vs speaking in their own language though. In the original when we heard them speaking English to eachother on their ships they were actually speaking English, not Sirian. They may not be able to properly speak their own language wearing the skinsuits (remeber their "masks" extend down their throats) and they'd surely want to stay as immersed in their "false identities" to avoid slip ups in front of humans.

[The Other Waldo Pepper]

Originally Posted by BKReporter

So, did the visitors convert the fighter pilot's wife?

I think she's a Visitor in a "pilot's wife" skinsuit.

[KneadToKnow]

Originally Posted by alphaboi867

I assumed "lie beside his wife" included sex. He simply didn't want to describe in detail for Joshua because it was so disgusting.

I took it as simple asshattery, like when certain guys get together and talk shit about their wives, despite actually having fairly happy marriages.

[WarmNPrickly]

Isn't one of the FBI agents the actress that played one of the five cylons from Battlestar Galactica? I bet she's a V. She made good evil.

If they extend it beyond a mini series, it's ratings will drop fast. I have no interest in long dragged out drama that never resolves. If they give it a definite limited number of seasons, I'll wait till the end and watch, but if they drag it on season after season no way. I don't want to be into the series when suddenly it gets canceled with a patchwork conclusion.

[robby]

Originally Posted by Merijeek

...And I'm curious, in a real-worldy kind of way, if I were to go to an embassy, actually get inside, and then get arrested for trying to kill a diplomat, would I be immediately returned to US authorities, or would I end up in V custody since I had an attempted murder on V soil?

You would be immediately returned to U.S. custody.

Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions are not sovereign territory of the represented state. They are sovereign territory of the host state, which has jurisdiction for any crimes committed within the embassy. The embassy is afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws), but the ambassador can waive this. The ambassador could try to protect someone accused of a crime within the embassy, but they could not try them themselves. Cite.

Also, from here:

Question: Is an embassy on foreign soil the sovereign territory of the host country or the embassy's country? Thus, if, for example, you are in the British embassy in Beijing, are you in China or the UK? Are you subject to British or Chinese law?

Answer: Contrary to popular perception and a lot of careless news reporting, embassies are the sovereign territory of the country in which they are located, NOT of the country whose diplomatic mission is housed there.

...Imagine, if a person should enter the British embassy and kill someone, who do you think will arrest him? Correct answer: the Chinese police. They cannot enter the embassy without the Ambassador's permission, but with that permission they will go in, take away the miscreant, and then try him in Chinese court under Chinese law. Or else the embassies security officers will deliver him to them outside the embassy gate.

Originally Posted by Oy!

...Speaking of which, can you imagine ANY circumstance under which a supposed human who attempted to assassinate a Visitor would be turned over to the Visitors for justice? If the Vs have penetrated the government that deeply, why are they bothering with all the rest of this? The whole thing is ridiculously over-engineered. You want an assassination attempt for propaganda value? Recruit a human crazy and turn him over to human justice after he's caught. It's not like there's any lack of human crazy to work with.

I agree. This was totally unrealistic. It makes me think that the head FBI agent is a "V", or is receiving orders from higher-ups who knew that the whole thing was a hoax.

I mean, how does the U.S. government know that "V"'s aren't just going to summarily execute the accused "human"?

[Oakminster]

Originally Posted by Glory

It was so hard for the VBI agent to remember what happened to him, if ONLY he had at tiny camera he could have been wearing to record his every moment. Too bad the Vs couldn't think of THAT!

No way they'd do that. The guy was a deep cover agent. The Vs aren't going to take a chance on him getting caught with alien technology and blowing the whole covert op.

[Morbo]

If Elizabeth Mitchell's boss FBI guy turns out to be a V, I'll be pretty annoyed. They're telegraphing that one so much that IMO they have no choice but to NOT make him a V.

And I thought the "re-connected" thing was some sort of drug that they use for control. BLG seemed to back this up while accusing Cyrus of being an addict.

[alphaboi867]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

No way they'd do that. The guy was a deep cover agent. The Vs aren't going to take a chance on him getting caught with alien technology and blowing the whole covert op.

Speaking of the tiny cameras, didn't Erica's face show up briefly on the holograms she was looking at? She tried to hide it by walking backward and waving her hands, but if V security reviews the footage they can tell it's her.

[KneadToKnow]

Originally Posted by alphaboi867

Speaking of the tiny cameras, didn't Erica's face show up briefly on the holograms she was looking at?

Yes. Quite plainly, actually, so those patchcams are clearly higher res than whatever their remotes can transmit.

She tried to hide it by walking backward and waving her hands, but if V security reviews the footage they can tell it's her.

I think the walking backward and waving her hands was her trying to find the camera that was seeing her, not trying to hide her face.

[ivylass]

She seemed pretty brazen about it. She was trying to locate where the camera was, but how the heck was she going to explain how she got into the room if she got caught? I did like the archaic surveillance room they tried to pass off, but I missed their reasoning for not "upgrading."

[Oakminster]

Originally Posted by Morbo

If Elizabeth Mitchell's boss FBI guy turns out to be a V, I'll be pretty annoyed. They're telegraphing that one so much that IMO they have no choice but to NOT make him a V.

I think he may be 5th Column. Just a hunch. He could have fired Erica and/or had her charged with making a false official statement and obstruction of justice when she lied about being in the warehouse. Instead, he covered for her. The V would have no interest in protecting a known resistance sympathizer, but the 5C might.

[flano1]

Originally Posted by Merijeek

It can't be too strong - if it was, Ana wouldn't have had to have her little videoconference. I think it's more like a combination of DirecTV (your code can be deactivated) and Soma (Brave New World).

-Joe

well "Bliss" was mentioned.

seems as though Bliss is either a Soma like additive or a hive mind high.

[MEBuckner]

The fighter pilot's wife: Before their meeting, they showed Anna rehearsing a nice little speech about loss and family and so on, trying out different variations of her lines, with the one teardrop at the end. This implies that FPW is neither a V in a skinsuit nor was she just zapped with some kind of mind-control ray; she was just given a successful snow job by the wily and manipulative Anna.

Dale being married: A bit of a stretcher, to be sure. One thing, though--my impression of the FBI is that it's kind of a conservative culture; I don't know, but an unmarried guy might stand out enough in the FBI to make the V's consider it worth ordering their deep cover agent to Lie Back and Think of Sirius and sleep with the disgusting smelly mammal in order to blend in. Of course, Erica herself is now a single mom, and they could have just had Dale be a convenient widower or something--but he was in for almost 20 years. Having a wife could really be an asset in terms of not standing out, so long as she doesn't notice the whole forked tongue thing.

Ryan apparently actually being into the whole "sex with mammals" thing: Maybe the Fifth Column members are the V equivalent of furries. That would be kind of weird; on the one hand, we, the human race, need them. They're our allies, essential to our struggle for survival. On the other hand, jeeze, they're frakking furries.

The phrase "Fifth Column": The original Fifth Column were the bad guys; fascists in point of fact, and I've never heard the phrase used in a positive sense--fifth columnists are always evil subversives, boring from within on behalf of some external enemy, usually an evil ideology like Fascism or Communism. Interesting that the F.C. here is more along the lines of what would normally be termed "La Resistance". I don't know if there's any significance to that, or if the writers are just maybe a little historically ignorant. (Or I guess you could fanwank it by claiming the V turncoats simply don't quite have a 100% grasp of human idioms.)

[The Controvert]

What makes you think they're talking about a human Fifth Column? For all we know, groups known by "the resistance" are historically the evil subversives on Sirius.

As Counselor Troi mentioned in the episode, "Darmok", if you say "Juliet on the balcony", it doesn't have meaning without context. So the Sirius version of "Juliet on the balcony" could be very unromantic, indeed. Maybe their Juliet killed and ate Romeo.

As for the point on furries, I think as a group they are unfairly judged. Social mores change over time. Gays were ostracized in the past, but now they are more or less accepted by society. I think an interesting take on the V saga would be to have the "invaders" look human instead of reptilian and the "humans" look like ridiculous mascots (but completely biological).

[vislor]

First, yes it's cheese but it's interesting. There are questions but I like trying to answer them, if I like the show, rather than forcing the show to do all of the work.

In that context, I like what someone said about talking English in their suits as it forces them to do so. My wife and I wondered about them talking English when alone and calling themselves Vs, but again, it could be to stay in character so they don't slip up later.

I don't think the pilot's wife was brain washed or anything. I think Anna is that persuasive and convinced her it was an accident. Otherwise, when it wore off, it would be worse or they would have to kill her and I don't see them wanting to do that.

Marriage - It could be that Dale is the weird one, not liking the mammals and that most Vs are either indifferent or like them. I mean, from what we have seen, one V is ready to get married and Lisa was kissing the kid. I assume there is something there until the show shows me otherwise. Also, Anna did compliment Scott Wolf on his appearance, so either she went out of her way to figure out if he was, in humans terms, or she meant it. Assumable Anna picked a form that was pretty as she understands that would help. Again, easier to assume they can be attracted to humans until they show or say otherwise.

Overall, I like it. Yes, there are some potential issues with it but it's still entertaining as heck!

As for the hiatus, I don't like it either but I guess it's because ABC will be showing the winter olympics. it will return when that's done.

vislor

[Half Man Half Wit]

Originally Posted by KneadToKnow

Yes. Quite plainly, actually, so those patchcams are clearly higher res than whatever their remotes can transmit.

Heh, I noticed that, too. The pinprick cams are apparently HD, but their military gear couldn't bear a comparison to low-end cellphone cams. Perhaps that's indicative of their cultural development: the entertainment sector overtook the military one, becoming the leading producer of high-tech in the process; then, after 2000 years of reality TV, the Vs went mad and started invading other civilisations. Suddenly, I can't really blame them anymore...

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Merijeek

Then again, they managed to make Morena Baccarin look like hell, so who knows what's going on in their heads.

-Joe

Isn't that odd. I found her kinda "meh" on Firefly, but I think she's wildly hot with the short hair. This coming from someone who loves latiny women with long hair.

[ivylass]

Or Dale could just be a racist who loathes humans, while Ryan isn't. Some white men won't have sex with black women, other white men don't have a problem with it.

[middleman]

Originally Posted by Oy!

Speaking of which, can you imagine ANY circumstance under which a supposed human who attempted to assassinate a Visitor would be turned over to the Visitors for justice?
This show gets increasingly implausible, at least to me.

This was my first reaction as well. However, upon reflection, I assume that the Visitor center is the V Embassy in New York. Therefore, it is sovereign territory of the V. Much as any other embassy in NY or DC, it is subject to the laws and sovereignty of the owner.

Originally Posted by MEBuckner

Dale being married: A bit of a stretcher, to be sure. One thing, though--my impression of the FBI is that it's kind of a conservative culture; I don't know, but an unmarried guy might stand out enough in the FBI to make the V's consider it worth ordering their deep cover agent to Lie Back and Think of Sirius and sleep with the disgusting smelly mammal in order to blend in.

It is funny. A few minutes before I watched the episode, I was setting up a buddy (roughly Dale's age) on a blind date with another friend of mine. I agree that Dale used her as cover, but it is not absurd to see single Feds. My friend is an FBI Agent...

I think the casting of Anna and Lisa (as mother and daughter) was brilliant. Despite the hair color, both actresses have similar bone structure and smallish heads.

The last two weeks I had commented to my wife on their casting; noting that they were gorgeous but both had a bit of the same unique look that could pass as slightly alien. I guess they shared those traits on purpose!

As for what "Juliet's" son has been chosen for,

Spoilered as it relates to a plot point from the Original series:

SPOILER:

I think he is part of a reverse of the Elizabeth/Brian crossbreeding experiment. I think the V wisely chose in this incarnation to control the offspring by offering one of their females as the mother instead of serving as the father. Better to have physical possession than to leave the chosen one in the hands of the resistance!

[control-z]

Yep after one more episode we have to wait until March. But if it makes you feel any better, I read that they haven't even shot the other episodes yet, that will happen in January.

[GildedLily]

I'm enjoying the fact that the appropriately named middleman is setting up blind dates.

[N9IWP]

I'm glad some character asked "Why don't/ didn't they just eliminate us?"

Brian

[alphaboi867]

Originally Posted by middleman

This was my first reaction as well. However, upon reflection, I assume that the Visitor center is the V Embassy in New York...

I think the building in NYC is supposed to be their embassy to the UN. I noticed that they have fewer motherships than in the original (29 instead of 50).

Originally Posted by cmyk

...I wonder if the female Vs are the dominant gender. I think that would make it a bit interesting if they took that route...

Originally Posted by Oy!

...Did anyone else notice that every one of the 29 ships' commanders was male, as were the members of the security forces they sent to liase with the FBI?...

Well the all-male security force could fit in with dominant females and expendable males being assigned more risky, physically demanding jobs, but the lack of female captains is a bit odd if they're a matriarchy. Perhaps males greatly outnumber females and females have obtained an exalted status as a result (though if that were the case they'd probally spend most of their time laying eggs).

It's also possible that while males are normally the dominant gender Anna is an exception (maybe she's part of the ruling family, Diana in the original was the Leader's mistress). Then again if you think about it the only way we even know that Anna is a female under her skinsuit is because Lisa addressed her as "mother". I don't see any reason why a Visitor's human disguise would need to match of with their true gender. Hell maybe all the Vs are actually female and they reproduce through parthenogenesis like some Earth lizards. Or they could be hermaphrodites.

Originally Posted by cmyk

...Before the hiatus arrives, I'd like to see some full on alien without their human skin...

I imagine they look something like this.

[VunderBob]

There's no logical reason that the meatsuit has to match gender with the occupant, FWIW.