Entering a depression.

I’m so sorry I keep posting here about this. But for some reason I don’t know where else to go.

I just feel like I keep sinking deeper in. The theme is that for some reason…I’m unlovable. And despite all my efforts in life…that’s just what I am. Something about me is off and it prevents me from being loved. It makes me feel so sad and worthless. I had a good run of three years…after my last breakup and about five months of being back on my own…I just have seemed to slowly sink deeper. I’m muscling my way through each day trying to stay as positive as possible. I’m still being healthy…but it’s hard.

I’ve been in a depression before…and got out…but I always had hope before…as in there was something new for me to try to change my situation I feel like I’ve done everything now…I don’t know…maybe I’m unfixable in this regard. I’ll just have to find solace in being alone…I wanted so much to care for someone in my life. I just feel like I’m crushed. I’m worried about it affecting my work.

Sorry it’s late and I’m rambling a bit. But I have felt so sad lately…I’ll probably call my counseler again soon. I haven’t seen her in almost a year…I will feel defeated again.

I really don’t know what to say, but I’ve been lonely and depressed my whole life. So I can relate. Even though I’m feeling about as bad as ever, I do have some hope after learning some things about myself through therapy and taking the initiative to do what I can for myself.

Calling your counselor is not defeat. It’s a positive step. Making the effort, one minute at the time is a positive step. Falling on your face is forward progress.

May you find equilibrium. It’s not a fun process, but it’s a good goal. And be nice to yourself. Really. You deserve it.

Depression is not some kind of rational process that you can reverse just by thinking positive thoughts or “powering through”. It isn’t failure to ask for help or acknowledge that you feel overwhelmed, and everyone who has ever suffered through depression knows the gaping angst or emptiness that comes on with no cause or warning and can leave with the same swiftness for no apparent reason. It has nothing to do with how loveable you may or may not be, and as upsetting as a failure in a relationship or success at dating may be, it is not a fundamental measure of your value as a person.

Keep on plugging through, and good luck to you.

Stranger

My friend’s dad recommended skydiving as a treatment for depression.

This morning my back was issuing its periodic messages of “I want a divorce! Now!”

After some time, I smacked myself and had an ibuprofen. Now the divorce requests are reduced to a distant grumbling I can mostly ignore.

Would you call that pill a defeat? I wouldn’t. Call your therapist, there’s some fights you just need allies for.

Quasi please don’t apologize for posting here, if it helps you to do so, we’re here and sympathetic and want to help in whatever limited ways we can.

Call your therapist, there is no defeat in that, that is fighting back!

Again friend, we are here, and many of us (myself included) have are willing to listen even if that’s all we can do.

I sincerely hope you find peace my friend.

I found Uncommon Knowledge’s Depression Program to be quite helpful. I bought it for $100 then got my money back because I could.
Some of the content:
The cycle of depression:

9 basic human needs:

When I was dating my wife I stopped needing anti-depressants… I think the main reason for my depression was not having a girlfriend and that is related to my basic needs.
And of course you should also talk to a doctor, etc.

It isn’t defeat. Around Christmas I has a lovely 72 hour lockdown. Medication adjusted and I’m pretty functional again. It did take almost three months to start feeling functional. Got a counselor, I haven’t seen a therapist in years (I don’t like talk therapy - every therapist I have had tells me that my thought patterns and behavior are pretty good), but I’m going again so I have someone I’m accountable to for getting out of bed.

One thing about depression is often feeling like a burden on others. When I’ve been in my worst funks, it’s hard to ask for and accept help. I’ve felt overly apologetic when people tried to help or when I reached out, but genuinely people around me cared and when I got back out of it, I was more aware of that. My point is, post, and you don’t need to be sorry; in fact, there’s literally nothing to be sorry about.

I want to respond specifically to this, because it shows that there IS hope. One of the places I’ve struggled is feeling like a burden and feeling myself going down, but being unwilling to impose on others, so I just slowly slip closer to the edge. That you feel it can get worse but are still able to reach out is good. Keep reaching out, stay connected to the outside world.

This theme is also a recurring one for me, despite that I know that I’m surrounded by people that love me. But the thing is, no matter what they do, as I’ve become more and more disconnected, it’s harder and harder to really accept and appreciate that love. This can be particularly harsh in the time following a break up or after losing a long term friendship or whatnot.

What was it that worked for me? When I finally got to the point I couldn’t make it on my own and I asked for help, my friends and family went out of their way to help me. Some knew things were up and would call and call. Some even just showed up at my door because I wasn’t answering. Any one of these things wasn’t enough, but it was the collective total in time that I saw how these people were going above and beyond for me. And beyond what support you have in your own life, that you should see even people in a thread as simple as this with people responding with encouragement, advise, support, resources, whatever… let it in. Let in that these are REAL people putting effort into helping YOU, and that YOU matter and are WORTH that effort. In our depressive states we have a tendency to focus on our flaws, our failures, our regrets, but it’s these connections that can help us see we have redeeming qualities, many of them, that add to the world of the people around us.

Solitude doesn’t have to be loneliness. Maybe you don’t have a partner now, but it’s an opportunity to focus on YOU. And not having one special person in your life doesn’t mean you can’t still care for others. I know after I had a harsh break up, I felt completely rejected, like all of that care and passion I’d poured my heart into for her, that it was somehow meaningless. A big thing that helped me get over that was finding people who DID want that. I’m sometimes overwhelmed with a desire to care, comfort, and help others, and losing that makes me feel unloved and unlovable because I don’t have that outlet. What can you do to express your need to care for others? Volunteer work? Time with friends and family, maybe offering to help them with things they’re putting off and then allowing them to love you back in whatever way they can express it. Better yet, it doubles as a way to keep you connected to the world. It really, really did wonders for me in getting out of the worst depressive funks I’ve been in.

Echoing others, calling your counselor is not defeat any more than it is to call a doctor when you’re sick or injured. When I had the time, even when I wasn’t in bad spots, I still saw one regularly. It was maintenance and though I still had some ups and downs, as life does, he helped to keep them from going too deep or lasting too long. In fact, I know that one situation would have REALLY crushed me without him, and I didn’t have anything as bad as how I was when I started seeing him again until after I stopped. Frankly, I think almost everyone could benefit from some form of therapy regularly in much the same way that we would all benefit from eating better, exercising, getting good sleep, keeping our minds sharp, etc. Everyone can benefit from some emotional health work.

So give him a call and give him a visit.

Today was so difficult despite it supposed to being an easy day. I barely made it to work. And the social interactions were so difficult. I felt like I was going to collapse any second. I was trying to hide my emotional state from everyone. I hope they didn’t notice.

When I got home I collapsed into a ball on the floor. I’ve been here for the past 4 hours. Just getting up now.

One person said to me today…the reason your students are still taking music is because of the work you do. I almost teared up…it felt so nice for someone I barely know to give me compliment. It’s so rare, and I’m so much more used to people criticizing me.

All these words on here…surprised me. I have been waiting for people to tell me all the things I’ve been doing wrong. Thank you for trying to help me.

Do I really need to work on myself again? Am I really that deeply flawed that after 33 years on this planet? Thats what gets me…what more do I have to do? I don’t know if there’s anything left…or how much I can keep trying. I just want someone to finally accept me for who I am. I don’t know what it is about me that makes me unlovable. I’m feeling sick again. And I feel weak. I try so hard to be strong. I wish I could hide forever. I think maybe the way I show love is not recognized. Can someone tell me somethings to do to change? I don’t know how to be a good human apparently.

Are you sure you are not actually just sick? when a minor viral illness is brewing I kind of feel that way for a few days then the symptoms become apparent.

Surely being in a relationship for 3 years shows that you aren’t “unlovable”. It seems likely that you’ll be in another relationship sooner or later, especially if you aren’t too fussy.
BTW I didn’t even hold a girl’s hand until I was about 28 and now I’ve been happily married to that girl for 3.5 years. I think a lot of it is due to the large amounts of self-help material I’ve read/listened to. As far as marriages go I like John Gottman’s material. I’m sure many people here would think you’re a nice good guy and they might think I’m a creepy annoying nutcase. Yet I don’t let that bring me down anymore because I’ve got a lover. I know you don’t but I’m sure you will soon. The thing is though that your relationship could go bad again. Self-help material such as John Gottman’s stuff can help with that.
I wonder if this applies to you:

The cause of your depression seems to be due to “external validation” (being loved)

Ah, you have worth then, your being adds value and beauty to the world, enriching it does it not? A music teacher, someone with not only a stronger creative drive, but the desire to help others to learn and develop the skills and ability to do the same.
You bring Beauty to the world friend, in many different ways, and that is something it needs.

I know we can be quite critical here (well you’ve been around a while, so you know that too)
And we all know that none of us here are perfect, many of here would be considered “deeply flawed” by many for a variety of quirks, foilbles, what-have-yous and a significant number of us have been, or are in a similar place as you. We know brother, and empathize.

Man! You sound so similar to me when I was that age. You can get past this. If I recall correctly, this started fairly recently when you split with your SO. If I am correct, may I ask how long you were together? I can’t remember if you said or not.

Erm, to be a good human, for you specifically at this particular point in your life, means you get yourself in to see your councelor.
Brother, we do what we can do here on the boards, but that help is very limited by the nature of the medium used to bring it to you. You need to get some face to face counceling and therapy soonest!

Hey. You don’t know me besides I read your post.
Just hang in there, hold onto to yourself, we know the pain and doubt about one’s self.
It is tough, but not end of the world. Find somebody you can talk openly with.
Life changes unexpectedly at weird times, but it ends up being you stronger amd without doubt.
You will be OK. Go talk.

That sounds just like what I quoted earlier:

“If I meet other people’s needs without them having to ask, then they will meet my needs without me having to ask.”

Here are some statements that “Nice Guys” say:

Here are some reviews about Dr Glover’s book/ebook:

I’m pretty sure that I’m not depressed nowadays only because I take a fish oil capsule 2 or 3 times a day (2-page article about the effects here), and I use the Fisher Wallace device twice a day. Oh, and 4 cups of coffee in the morning ( I worked up to that amount gradually, but you can google the benefits). These steps allow me the energy to get 90 minutes of aerobic exercise each week, which is another reason I’m now able to even get out of bed. Actually, I feel pretty good these days.

Maybe some of these steps will work for you? I’ve seen your posts on this board before, and they’ve given me plenty of cause to wish you luck. :slight_smile:

I’ve dealt with two decades of depression and bi-polar. The biggest things that have helped me, beside CBT and finally finding the right meds, was 1.) positive self-talk, 2.) time limits and 3.) staying out of my own head as much as possible. Oh, and any small accomplishments helped. :slight_smile:

So, I’d really recommend those. Trying to analyze why this was or how it went wrong, only served to make things worse. Going over and over everything, like being the jilted lover who only listens to “your” song 400 times in 24 hours, only keeps you stuck. If all you do is look at their picture or read love notes, you’ll never be able to move on. Some reflection might be okay, but only for a short period of time.

Lastly, beginning to stop talking negatively about myself and situation was a lifesaver. You (general you) just have no idea how much impact on how your feeling is because you believe you’re stupid / a moron / silly for asking for help / behind everyone else / yadda yadda yadda. Therefore, you need to cut yourself a break.

You can beat this. And every victory you see (no matter how small), cherish and protect it and use it as fodder going forward as you need it. Practice will make you stronger. Good luck and God bless.

I’m in a receptive state. I’ve read lots of self help books over the years…seems like that is almost my entire library at times. I’ll look into the nice guy stuff.

I managed to roll out of bed, and posted a celebration on social media…despite how horrible I feel…I have lost 8 pounds this year. I felt I needed some outside validation…I try hard not to post those things…but I needed a boost.

I try hard to seek only internal validation. It’s hard. I always eventually breakdown and need someone else to tell me I’m doing well / a good job.

I broke up with my SO over three years ago…but I had a relationship recently that went on for 9 months…and I took a lot of verbal abuse. I finally ended it and escaped…barely. I was being crushed. I’ve been single about 4 months now. And while I want to find someone who loves me…I’m desparately afraid of failing and being hurt again.

I also called the SPCA to inquire about volunteering. And I love dogs. I’ll also be going to my church (the unitarian centre) tomorrow. I seem to get there once a month. I’d like to go more. And I’m slugging it to Yoga this morning. It’s usually a good place to be.