It was ABOUT morality and it was SUPPOSED to be condescending. That was the test. It just wasn’t a test for you. You approved of the concept so I ran it up the flag pole in the ugliest light I could give it.
First of all, MeanOldLady, I’m very glad to hear that you haven’t changed your mind about refusing this guy. I was actually worrying about you all evening. That may seem strange since we’ve never had any interaction outside this thread, but as I mentioned before I just graduated from college myself and I can easily picture one of my friends in your situation.
I’m sure many of them would be tempted by the money (a poor college student could do a lot with two grand), but I’d hope that they would decide not to give in to that temptation. This is not merely because I think they’d have a hard time respecting themselves in the morning, but because it’s a suspicious situation where real danger, both physical and emotional, could be involved. Even if this guy is playing straight with you, something I don’t buy for one second, you couldn’t be sure of that without putting yourself in a situation where if you were wrong it would probably be too late to be sure of a safe escape. $2,000 is just not worth the risk. I don’t think any amount of money would be.
It could easily be rung up in nearly six hours. For a professional escort much of those six hours might well include actual escorting, such as to a formal dinner with the client so he can impress others with his date. That does not seem to be what MOL’s acquaintance is after though, and I don’t get the impression that MOL would be thrilled at the prospect of spending six hours straight with this man anyway.
But I doubt that matters to you. You’re clearly more concerned with proving whatever point it is you think you have on the subject of prostitution than the well-being of another human being.
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Respectfully, you are full of it. My opinions on this situation have nothing to do with the fact that the man involved is a man, and everything to do with his refusal to respect other people and their personal boundaries. That isn’t sexism, it’s a healthy dislike for people who enjoy controllong or violating others.
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You believe every man is a potential rapist and I’m the sexist one?
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I know that after he’s been refused – repeatedly – he’s still trying to coerce MOL into having sex with him. There’s a name for people who won’t accept the answer “no” in response to their sexual advances.
I am willing to consider anyone who doesn’t understand that “no” means “no” a rapist, or at least a potential rapist. The sex of this rapist or potential rapist is unimportant to me; such people are equally repellant be they male or female. But you consider all men potential rapists, and you refuse to recognize the distinction between offering someone money for sex and attempting to bribe an unwilling participant into sex. And somehow I’m the sexist one. Right.
What I am pointing out is that you are talking out of your ass, and you are putting your subjective morals on this situation and forcing absolutes where there are shades of grey.
So now you are switching from questions and deliberate misinterpretations to outright rudeness. Way to go! Perhaps you should consider though, that people would be more inclined to listen to you, if you made an actual point, instead of trying to dish out more or less cleverly disguised insults.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I for one am curious to hear about the shades of grey and your take on the matter, instead of reading the next installment of Mockingbird, the righteous avenger.
Lamia reasoned that a man who repeatedly makes offers, despite a repeated “no”, might ignore a “no” in a sexual situation as well.
Instead of arguing from the special case we have here, you mention 19 year old occurances and reach the conclusion that other people don’t know what they are talking about, are talking out of their ass or are sexist (ok, the last one wasn’t your conclusion, but you applauded it).
If you would care to be at least a bit specific and would try to argue in context of this thread and not on accounts of some grand ideas that are floating around in your head and can’t be seen from an outside point of view anyway, unless you decide to share them, it would actually help the debate. As it is, I stand by my initial impression that you’re trying to sabotage this thread and on any other messageboard, you’d have been given the “stfu and gtfo” treatment by now.
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Hmmm… I am getting the impression you are laughing at my posts, just as I am laughing at yours. That was not the plan, damnit 
How is he trying to coerce sex? If he were coercing, he wouldn’t be offering money. He’s trying to prey on her self-respect and any other vulnerability he can think of, including a possible need for cash, but coercing to me would mean he was physically accosting her. Maybe it’s just a matter of semantics, but with his offering her money, she does have a choice and is therefore IMO not being coerced.
BOL - you asked whether his marriage would make a difference to me.
Probably not.
It sounds as though his wife is married to an asshole. Hate to sound too harsh, but you aren’t responsible for her situation. You would not be stealing this guy’s affections from her. You have no feelings for him - you would merely be performing a task for money.
This is a far cry from seducing or having an ongoing affair with a married man who - but for your efforts - was faithful to his wife. Nor is this a situation where a married guy makes a single bad decision - say at a bachelor’s party, or on a business trip away from home.
He has cheated on her before, and undoubtedly will again. It is up to her to choose whether or not she wishes to remain married to him. Or whether she gets a good lawyer, divorces his ass, and takes as much of his $ as she can.
I don’t think you need to go through life constantly assessing what is the right decision for YOU, in terms of how it might affect other people whom you have never met.
Just wondering - let’s say you hook up with a guy at a bar. You don’t foresee any longterm relationship with him, but you think he’s really hot, and you really want to jump his bones tonight.
Do you quiz him on whether he has a steady girl back home?(Admittedly, marriage is a different degree than boyfriend/girlfriend.) Would you consider yourself immoral if you had sex with this guy just for the one night’s enjoyment? If you intended to have one night of wild sex with him, would you allow him to pay for your drinks all night long?
Not a perfectly analagous situation, but relevant IMO.
Sorry about mixing up the B for the M MOL.
Coercion may involve the use of physical force, but that is not essential. Here are the definitions for “coerce” listed by Merriam-Webster Online:
1 : to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious – W. R. Inge>
2 : to compel to an act or choice
3 : to bring about by force or threat <coerce the compliance of the rest of the community – Scott Buchanan>
Definition 1 requires force and 3 mentions it, but the examples given leave room to doubt whether this force must be physical. Definition 2 doesn’t mention force at all, and incidentally seems to me a description that applies to the behavior of the man in question.
A simple offer of money would not be coercion. However, to make ever-escalating offers each time he is refused, clearly hoping to find his target’s breaking point, is.
Well, that’s true. Definitely agree with that - more offers only increases the pressure and thence the coersion. First offer, no.
Wow, we disagreed at first, but now we agree (on this point at least)…I was beginning to wonder if such a thing were possible in this thread.
Cheers!
So let’s not make it worse.
Hmmmmmm…I don’t remember disagreeing with you. Well, other than coersion, but we’ve clarified . . . .
Oh, that’s all I meant, I was just trying to be a little lighthearted about it. I’m more used to being snarky, so sorry if it didn’t come across well.
I am just curious…but if this were an extremely wealthy woman offering $2K for sex with a man would that change any of your opinions? Or has this been discussed already and in my scanning of the thread I missed it…in which case my apologies…
That might be good for a whole 'nother thread, Aries28. No offense intended. Just might be a subject worthy of its own topic.
Lamia, I thought you were… but geez, my memory is awful. I figured we had disagreed before. 