2012 NFC North Discussion Thread

How much do you figure he’d sign for? I don’t see him agreeing to less than 10 million a year for the length of the contract or settling for being paid less than he is now (he’s roughly the 6th highest paid QB salarywise this year according to this site. It could get even more expensive if they want to franchise him.

I don’t know. That offense has been atrocious and outside of Marshall and maybe Forte or, if you’re desperate, Cutler, you don’t have much. Alshon is fine, I suppose, but the offensive line is bad, there is no TE to speak of, and depth is a problem at WR. Marshall is in the top 5 of salaries, Cutler top 10, and Forte wasn’t cheap, so salary cap may be an issue also (Peppers isn’t cheap either).

Should be interesting to watch what happens, but, luckily for me, I’ll be paying more attention to the actual playoffs.

Not sure, I’m guessing it’ll be a slight bump over his current salary. By average salary (a more meaningful measure) Cutler is outside the top 12 and isn’t likely to move up into top 10. Odds are low that Cutler puts a squeeze on the Bears for a record setting deal, he doesn’t really have the leverage and most everyone including Jay would say he’s appropriately paid now.

The offense will have a lot of new faces, but I’m not sure I’d call swapping a bunch of replacement level players with free agents and rookies “real change”. Marquee names and big contracts are what will ultimately create a new dynamic.

The big names on offense will be back, the ones on defense will probably go and that cost savings will go to the offense, hopefully lineman and TEs.

I know. That was a dig at Omni.

And then there was one.

The Packers took care of business against the Vikings, doing a fairly good job of containing Adrian Peterson (you can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him!) and taking advantage of a Tebowesque game from Joe Webb. A very business like game and it was great to see the defense come up big.

The Vikings have to feel good about the successes they had this season. Ponder remains an issue, but at least he won’t be feeling any pressure from Webb. And Adrian Peterson’s season was one for the ages.

Now the Packers move on to play the 49ers in San Francisco. Oddly enough, the Packers seem to be a better road team in the playoffs, but the 49ers gave them a nice little whoopin’ to open the season. The Viking game with Webb was a very good primer for the 49ers. It was interesting to see the defense work mostly in contain and gap control rather than getting upfield to the QB or playing aggressive. Those things may come in very handy playing Frank Gore and Colin Kaepernick.

It will be interesting to see if the Packers remain committed to the run like they have in the latter part of the season (and they didn’t in the early part).

I think the Packers have a pretty good chance to win, but the 49ers aren’t going to lay down. Should be a great game.

Oh, and the Bears are still looking for a HC and the Lions are … well sitting at home.

Speaking of the Lions.
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That is an assessment I agree entirely with, and I think is very insightful. There is no one from Management to Coaches to players who doesn’t deserve some of the blame. They just simple have to get better, and if it takes a huge roster purge, I am all for it, other than the fact I don’t have much confidence in their talent evaluating ability.

The Lions are weird. They are one of the few teams where I don’t look at their roster and say “they need better guys here, here and here and they’ll be better.” Their problems are more institutional, they fail from Monday to Saturday and the culture in that facility and locker room is just bankrupt.

I feel like what they need is a dignified figurehead to come in and lead by example and command respect. Of all the teams, they might benefit the most from a football czar type guy like Reid, Holmgren, Cowher or even Lovie. Hiring these guys isn’t about Xs and Os or scouting, it’s about dignity and accountability. They don’t need to build a team, they need to build a culture.

But instead, we get to keep our moron coach (“Know the f***ing rules!” - J. Schwartz to J. Harbaugh, 2011) and our incompetent GM (OT and WR in rounds one and two of the 2012 draft while ignoring the defense). Until W.C. Ford dies, we’re stuck with an awful, awful franchise here in the Mitten. Why do these team owners last so long? We’re in the same damn boat as Bills fans!

I don’t think I’ve posted in this thread for a couple months. Last week’s Vikings win was awesome. Unfortunately, and I think I knew it deep down, that was really our Super Bowl for the year and it was always going to be really damn hard to win at Lambeau. As much joy as I took in the Packers loss in Seattle, had it gone the other way, GB would have the bye and the Vikings may have had a road game against a banged-up 49ers team in the wild card round. That, too, would have been a very tough game, but I’ll take my chances against Kaepernick rather than Rodgers every time.

Random thoughts:

As long as Rodgers is playing at or near this level, it’s going to take some massive f-ups by Thompson in the draft and free agency for the Packers to drop from the team to beat.

Harris, the new rb, has looked solid the past two weeks. GB has to feel good about him.

I was expecting more from Webb in his ability to run, or at least give a threat of a scrambling qb. He didn’t do any more than Ponder gives in that department, though.

I’m still on the Ponder bandwagon. He’s not great, but I think he can be a 2nd tier qb (Flacco, Ryan, Schaub, et al). He’ll be helped with Harvin’s return and/or a good pick up in the off-season at wr.

In August, I’d have guessed 6 to 8 wins. After week 4, I think I was hoping for 11 or 12. All in all, 10-6 with a playoff loss isn’t too bad.

I’ll be pulling for a SF-Sea NFC Championship Game.

Since we are in a bit of holding pattern lets talk Draft possibilities. Looking at the Packers, who will draft late, I am thinking they let Finley go and draft somebody like Zach Ertz out of Stanford or Tyler Eifert from Notre Dame. Of course we could use some O-line help, center especially (despite making the Pro-Bowl, Saturday was benched) Barret Jones, but I am not sure we take him the first round and we don’t have another pick until late in the third round. So we Center may have to wait. These rounds are where Thompson always finds gems at WR, so he may go that route, with Jennings likely out the door, although I wouldn’t object to Montee Ball here either.

Did you just type third round when you meant late second round? Rest assured, the Packers have all their picks, plus at least one compensatory pick to come.

If you meant Barret Jones won’t be there at the later stages of the second round, that seems accurate from the mock drafts I have seen.

Jones is going to be having some pretty serious foot/ankle surgery. I’m no doc, but that sounds like a really bad thing for 300+ lb OL entering the draft. Knees are one thing, feet tend to be much trickier. That said, if Jones is still there in the second round and he gets a clean bill of health I’d be shocked if the Bears passed on him. Getting a blue chip Center is the first step to getting this offense right.

The Bears too need a TE badly, though we’ll see what the new HC wants to do, and Ertz would be at the top of the list too. I don’t think Ertz is a 1st round value but in the 2nd he’d be great. I’m still pissed about that stupid Rodriguez pick last year, Emery’s first draft left a lot to be desired.

The Bears need a LB, a CB and an OT too. They have to get better on the line and younger on defense, pretty simple recipe. They have enough holes that going BPA should be the MO.

In the later rounds I’d like them to grab a RB with some wiggle and a project QB to groom into a backup.

Speaking of the draft, I figured I’d take a stab at doing a quick look back at the Bears 2012 NFL Draft and see how it panned out after Year 1. It’s particularly timely since Emery is currently in the middle of a very thorough and detailed coaching search. Emery comes from a scouting background so the level of detail is probably expected. Searching for a coach versus pepping for a draft may not be very similar tasks, so skill at one and skill at the other may not be linked but it’s all we have to base it on.

Round 1: Shea McClellin, DE
I hated this pick then and I still don’t like it. My anger with the pick was only 50% a problem with McClellin, the bigger issue was that they passed on DeCastro. I’m convinced this will be viewed as a moderate catastrophe in 5 years. Specifically on McClellin, he was on my “your guys” list predraft. I think he’s a kid who had maxed out his skill and physicality in college and he didn’t have another gear to engage for the NFL. He performed a little better than I expected in year one, he does have a nose for the QB when he knows he can pin his ears back, but I didn’t see anything to indicate that he’ll develop into anything more than a situation pass rusher. Situation pass rushers are valuable, just not as valuable as most 1st round picks and Pro Bowl OGs.

Round 2: Alshon Jeffery, WR
Emery traded up to get the kid, giving a 5th rounder to the Rams, and I think this was a brilliant move. Jeffery had some growing pains and rookie moments but for the most part he was a excellent addition. He’s not the next Brandon Marshall, he’s not quite as athletic, but he competes and uses his size well. We’ll see what a more creative OC can do with him.

Round 3: Brandon Hardin, CB/S
The kid is a physical freak who missed the entire 2011 season to a shoulder and then received the annual Bears medical redshirt in 2013 after a scary looking neck injury that turned out to be nothing. So, its impossible to call this a good pick when the kid will have been out of football for 30+ months next time he suits up but I’m willing to be somewhat optimistic that he can become a potentially disruptive playmaker. My gut says the Bears could have waited and still landed him in round 4 making it a wiser move, plus the Bears Safeties weren’t a major need. We’ll see.

Round 4: Evan Rodriguez
This pick is an abortion. Rodriguez actually played a lot, maybe even more snaps than McClellin, but he didn’t make any impact. In college he was a H-back that was used all over the field with dynamic pass catching ability. What did the Bears do? They turned him into a Fullback. :dubious: Maybe the kid bulks up and grows into that role, but they had a quality fullback in Clutts and they let him go because the position was being phased out. Why would you then waste a 4th rounder on it? And if you were why draft a guy who can’t block to do it? Hopefully a new OC will fix the hole at TE by using Rodriguez there and recover some of the value here.

Round 6: Isiah Frey, CB
Didn’t make the team. This is a classic Lovie pick.

Round 7: Greg McCoy, CB
Same as above. :smack:

So, clearly this wasn’t Emery’s finest hour. By Jerry Angelo standards this might actually be considered an improvement, but it’s not good enough. I’m willing to give Emery the benefit of the doubt and pin a lot of the blame on Lovie for this, but let’s hope the coaching search goes better. It’s also possible that McClellin, Jeffery and Rodriguez all could have been players drafted by Emery for a different system than what Lovie was running. Each might see big improvements in Year 2.

It’s too soon to know what the Bears targets will be in this years draft, but once we get a HC and start hearing about scheme and cap casualties it should start getting more clear.

Let’s all take a minute to consider it’s a lost season for our division; the ladting memory of it will be Peterson’s 2000 yards.

Well Calvin Johnson did something, too.

My final comments on the Packers, it is clear they lack speed on defense. I think for the NFC North it is fine, for now. But I honestly believe that the league is changing, IMO, the Pistol is going to last and is probably the next major advance in Offensive scheming. I think that maybe Dom Capers time is up, I don’t know if he will actually leave or be let go, but I just don’t think the 3-4 is working. I don’t know exactly what or how we go forward, but that was pretty embarrassing and revealing on Saturday Night. I like AJ Hawk, but we are too often exposed in the short-middle of the field, he is not very good on Pass Coverage. I realize Brian Urlacher’s don’t come around everyday, but I think that the middle LB is a place we need to shore up with some speed.

:smack:I even had him on my fantasy team.

I’m not sure how much of Saturday night’s shredding was lack of speed, versus the LBs consistently biting on fakes, or Capers’ game plan not coming up with an effective counter to Kaepernick, but it was clear that there was something which needs changing.

Another depressing post-season loss brings the NFC North season to an end. The complete collapse of the defense in a big game is nothing if not familiar to Packer fans, kinda like getting used to Favre throwing a dumb interception to cost them a game. That kind of game leaves a bad, bad, bad taste in your mouth.

I’m a huge fan of Dom Capers, I love his versatility, his in game adjustments, and his aggressive style of play. But he fucked up big time by not having his defense prepared for that game. He should have spent every second of every day prepping for the zone read and pound those sight adjustments into the heads of an overmatched dumbass LB corp. He also should have cut down on the man coverage to keep eyes on the QB. Badly prepped, badly called defense cost the Packers a ton. I’m not saying Dom needs to go, he’s got a pretty good track record with the Packers, but this loss is on him and on that defense.

The D line showed this season it is good, but nowhere near good enough for teams with great O lines; they got pushed around all game. But the biggest problem was the linebacking corp. Eric Walden was absolutely horrible, made to look the fool on numerous plays. Dezmon Moses was only slightly better, except when he was pass rushing where was just as bad. And Clay Matthews had a bad game (for him), being beaten by Joe Staley for most of the day and getting turned around. Hawk couldn’t keep up in coverage, Jones was pedestrian at best, and the LB crew as a whole should be embarrassed. The DB’s weren’t a whole lot better, with some loose coverage and, outside of a beautiful pick 6, they didn’t make a difference at all. I fear Charles Woodson is done in a Packer uniform.

Bad preparation, bad coaching, and bad play were a huge part of the loss. I sure wish they had Desmond Bishop, DJ Smith, and Nick Price out there for the game, so there is a bit of an injury excuse, but it is just that, an excuse. Although I’d love for once, just once, the Packers to have a healthy season like the Bears did a couple years ago. Having all your players makes a huge difference.

Many of the same problems going into the offseason last year, are still there this year. While I think the CB position is much, much stronger, they need another playmaking safety in the DB. But mostly it’s getting another guy opposite Clay Matthews (Nick Price), getting stronger on the D Line (Mike Daniels, Jerel Worthy), and rebuilding that O line (Brian Bulaga and Derrick Sherrod). I’m hopeful that the Packers will get some of those guys back healthy for next year, and they are a good team. But you have to be great to win the Super Bowl.

I think the Packers are going to lose a few big names this offseason, including Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and Charles Woodson. They’ll have to decide if AJ Hawk, John Kuhn, and Jermichael Finley are worth the money and cap room they’ll be taking up, and they’ll likely have to break the bank to extend Clay Matthews, BJ Raji, and maybe throw more money at Aaron Rodgers. Should be interesting to watch. Because I seriously need something to get the awful taste of that last game out of my mouth. At least they’re not the Bears and Lions though.

Well, this is looking pretty close to a sure bet.

Greg Jennings is done with the Packers.

He put his house up for sale, and has been courting Philbin and the Dolphins.

Couple of commenters have suggested Kansas City as a landing spot as well, which seems pretty spot on.

Yeah, the tea leaves have been pointing that way for a couple of weeks now.

On the one hand, he’s a great player (and, from what I can tell, a great person, too), and I hate to see the Packers lose him. On the other hand, with Jones, Nelson, and Cobb on the roster, it’s not a position of weakness for the team, even without Jennings.

Adrian Peterson is the MVP of the NFL. Cris Carter is in the HoF.

Finally some love for the Vikings…

Maybe tomorrow Moss will get his ring.