Yes.
So the tradition started ~70 years ago, rather than a hundred years ago. It’s still the system that almost everybody alive today remembers.
Either you misread it, or he sobered up, because he has Oregon in it now.
I was looking at it earlier and can confirm it had Oregon left out. I’m going to be nice and assume it was either a mistake, or it was a prediction made before the games this weekend (and that he was basically predicting an Arizona win).
I think OSU could’ve posed an interesting quandry for the playoff panel - they’ve said they want the four “best” teams, not the “most deserving” teams - and losing your starting QB to an ankle injury could certainly qualify for removing a team from the ‘best’ discussion while still remaining deserving. But after how they spanked Wisconsin, a solid team, I think they have a good claim to the 4th spot.
I’m wondering if TCU and Baylor get left out, possibly as a sign to the Big-12 to play a stronger out of conference slate and a conference championship game (I know there was talking of changing the “12 teams required for a championship game” rule, did that ever pass?)
All plays are reviewed. The replay judge must not have seen enough evidence to stop play and take a closer look.
Did like them more.
The committee has repeatedly claimed that they’re going to give each team a fresh look each week, and not play the “you can’t drop in the rankings after a win” game. They’ve backed it up by dropping FSU twice.
My guess is Ohio State jumps both of them.
Yes. This is the most tradition-filled bowl with the only parade of the year worth watching. For decades, it was the goal of every Big Ten team to win the conference championship and be rewarded with playing in the greatest of all bowl games. This has been OUR bowl for decades. The thought that SEC teams could play in it is enough to make me vomit.
My prediction: The real winners from the playoff committee’s decision will be UCF and Cincinnati.
Anyone follow my logic?
Wow, A parade worth watching. I never thought of that, Good Point!!! :dubious:
This is an opinion…not a fact
Here is hoping for a Oregon/Alabama Matchup!
Alabama will play in the Sugar Bowl.
You’re expecting the committee to punish the Big 12 for not having a true champion by leaving both Baylor and TCU out in the cold. The Big 12 will respond by expanding back to their claimed number of teams, and Cinci and UCF are the most likely candidates.
TCU should be higher than Baylor. They have a better overall body of work. Baylor could only beat them by 3 at home. They should have won more convincingly to prove they’re really better. Home field advantage is huge in college.
I still think OSU jumps them both.
Prediction for semis
FSU-Alabama
OSU-Oregon
I agree.
Alabama vs. Florida State in Sugar Bowl.
Oregon vs. Ohio State in Rose Bowl.
It may be, but it was also the aspiration of every Pac-8/10 team. The culmination of a successful season was beating your rival and clinching a berth in the Rose Bowl (the granddaddy of them all) with roses in your teeth.
If I could see the Cal Band marching down Colorado Blvd on a New Year’s morning, I could die happy. As a matter of fact, the mantra of all long-suffering Cal fans is “a Rose Bowl before I die.”
Back after the busy weekend, and first and foremost CONGRATULATIONS DUCKS!!! :D:D:DOn to the next challenge!
Secondly, after playing with my rankings formula for a bit longer, I have concluded that, regarding the now-moot hypothetical issue of a choice between FSU and tOSU, had FSU lost the conference championship game,** notfrommensa was right, and I was wrong.**
Finalizing the rankings forced me to actually quantify my vague idea that, after the season, I would provide some sort of extra boost to conference champions. I decided arbitrarily to treat conference champions as if they had won one extra game against a top 10 team. I think this is very generous, and if I were to change it would definitely make it less so rather than more. But even applying this rule:
FSU (in this hypothetical universe) has a raw total of 12 wins. We throw out the one against the Citadel, which leaves 11. We then give them credit for one extra win for each of the two ranked teams they beat (Clemson and Louisville) for a total of 13. Their loss was to Georgia Tech, who are in the 11-25 ranking zone, so that counts as two losses. 13-2=.857. Ohio State also had 12 wins, but three of them were against cupcakes, so really 9. They get two extra wins for beating top 10 Michigan State, plus one extra for beating Wisconsin, which just barely stayed in the top 25 after losing the conference title game. 12 wins for tOSU, plus three bonus wins for the conference title makes 15. Their loss was to unranked V-Tech, which counts as three losses. 15-3=.833.
Briefly, what kept FSU above tOSU in these calculations was that they played two more games against Power 5 opposition, and their loss was to a decent team rather than a mediocre team. Of course, I don’t claim that this simple system should be the definitive answer to all questions; for one thing, it doesn’t take into account the very small margin of many of FSU’s victories. Still, I am OK with teams being rewarded for not scheduling cupcakes and not losing to bad teams, so I will endorse this result.
With regard to the Baylor-TCU issue, I decided that head-to-head wins should count as one and a half games for both teams (with regard only to each other, of course). So, without going through the details, TCU finished 12-1.5=.888. Baylor 16.5-2=.891. So, too close to call; any minor tweak in the value awarded to conference championships or head-to-head (or the stature of West Virginia, which I have just barely in the top 25, unlike any of the real polls) and TCU could move into the front.
If tOSU gets in, I think both of the Big 12 teams will be justified in feeling ripped off. But if either of them gets in, I don’t think the other one has great cause for complaint.
Lastly, if tOSU does get in, I hope the committee moves Oregon to #1 in order to preserve the glorious and beautiful tradition of the Rose Bowl, one of the truly great traditions of the game.
The envelopes, please…
It was the first bowl game, all others are just weak knock-offs
Alabama has played in the Rose Bowl game six times, Georgia once and Tennessee once. Fortunately, the Rose Bowl committee did at last realize that that was a bad idea, but it took them 45 years to figure that out.
Um, no. It was the goal of every Big team for decades, since it was the reward for a conference championship. “Greatest” is subjective, but by any objective metric – attendance, TV ratings, payout – the Rose Bowl has historically been #1. It has been “theirs,” in the sense of a formal affiliation, as long as 99% of people can recall.
If you want to reject decades of tradition, fine, but you can’t pretend it doesn’t exist.
So what would be the divisions?
My guess:
Baylor, K-State, Kansas, OU, Okie St, TTU (Mostly West)
TCU, Tex, WVU, Cincy, UCF, ISU (Mostly East)
I guess I missed that Sunday School class on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Its just the B1g (and Pac12) being arrogant and pretentious that they were destined to play the Rose Bowl.
Embrace Change!!
Speaking of Tradition…CFB went 100 years without a playoff.
Why was that abandoned?
Bingo.
UCF is one of the top midmajor programs in football, and passable in basketball. They are the second-largest university in the country by enrollment (look it up, true fact), and bring a decent media market (Orlando) to the table. They’ll also help B12 teams recruit Florida.
Cincinnati is traditionally solid in football and basketball, and bring another solid media market and recruiting territory.
Memphis might would be another choice, but they’ve been very bad very recently in football, and I’m not sure how they stack up academically and booster-wise.
IMO those are clearly the top 3 choices in the midmajors. Boise State offers nothing but football.
Of course, all of this makes a hash of things in terms of a regional conference identity, but that ship has sadly long sailed.