Yet Baylor beat them. :dubious:
Today TCU creamed Iowa State. What is Iowa State ranked? #246 or something?
Baylor beat #11 Kansas State.
If this system is to have any credibility then there is no way TCU should be in the top 4.
The top 3 should no doubt be Alabama, Florida St. and Oregon. I can see an argument to be made for Ohio St. Maaaaaybe an argument for Baylor.
But because of that 61-58 head to head there is no way TCU should be any higher than #5.
Ya, that one was pretty darn close, I couldn’t quite tell on the replays which hit first.
I think the Big 12 should lose out on the playoff, not becuase Baylor or TCU aren’t great teams, but because the conference marketing team are idiots.
And
Dipshits.
My Alma Mater gave Free Sneakers University a Scare. Pitiful on-side kick attempt though. I think I could have kicked it better with a few hours of practice.
I wonder if this bickering betwen TCU and Baylor will cost them a spot in the playoff to tOSU.
If it comes down to Quality Losses (whatever the heck that is) TCU gets the Nod.
Interesting thing just mentioned on ESPN2 (not sure of the analyst name)
Baylor’s coach Art Briles voted Oklahoma #1 and Texas #5 in the 2008 Coaches poll (identical record). Even though Oklahoma won the Red River Rivalry game. Texas had beat TTU and TTU had beat Oklahoma and they each had 11-1 records before the Big12 Championship Game
Briles claims he let his assistants make the vote that year.
Could Karma be biting Baylor in the ass?
This seems to be the consensus of the half-time guys for the Boise St. game. I agree as well.
As far as the ranking? 
If it were up to me, I’d rig it so the Ducks and the Buckeyes played in the Rose Bowl, if for nothing else than tradition. Then my Pac-12 could beat my nephew’s SEC next for the championship and give me family bragging rights! 
Free beer for everyone, too!
Unfortunately, it ain’t up to me.
IMO: Baylor should be not be given a benefit of a doubt because of their non-conference schedule.
SMU (1-11 in American Athletic Conference)
Northwestern State (6-6 in FCS Southland Conference)
Buffalo (5-6 in MAC)
The statement that the committee should be sending to teams that if you schedule too many cupcakes, then you risk getting some spoiled frosting!
Head to head doesn’t really say which team is better.
Here’s a quick counter example:
Team A: 11-1
Team B: 11-1
Team A avg win in conf by 20 points
Team B avg win in conf by 3 points
Team B beats team A but loses to some other team.
From a conf rules standpoint, head to head to makes sense, the rules are black and white and aren’t designed to say who is the “best”, but rather what place you get based on the rules.
From a national ranking perspective, half of that goes out the window because there is no firm set of rules, it’s a big mish-mash combination of what was achieved (record) and perception of how good the team is (very subjective).
I asked the question below in one of the other thread. But I didn’t see an answer.
Why is a B1G/PAC12 matchup in the Rose Bowl considered sacrosanct among some people?
Tradition? :dubious: The Rose Bowl certainly did not start that way. It always had a West Coast team in it, but it was not always a Midwest/B1G team on the other side of the ball. Harvard played in it. Ga Tech and Alabama played plus several other teams.
Heck during WWII, it was played in Durham North Carolina.
It was Robert Smith.
Ok, so it’s only been that way for 60 years? That’s long enough for a few generations to get used to it. I don’t really know what my great great grandpa watched, but since I was little and my dad had the game on that’s what I’ve been familiar with.
By 3 at home. Regardless, it matters not since the committee likes TCU more. Perhaps because TCU’s only loss was by 3 away to the #6 team in the country and Baylor’s only loss was by 14 to an unranked school (West Virginia.
I don’t know if you realize this, but in the Big 12 everyone plays each other. TCU beat Kansas State as well - 41-20 a month ago. Baylor also played Iowa State (and won, 49-28)
So I know this has been answered about a half a dogzillion times, but what is the seniiii-marjuana-leaf-looking symbol on the kills stickers on the Ohio State helmets?
A buckeye (to be more specific the leaves of a buckeye)
[QUOTE=ISiddiqui;17956040I don’t know if you realize this, but in the Big 12 everyone plays each other. [/QUOTE]
Thanks, but yeah, I get that.
This^^^. I still think the head to head matters. You don’t.
My gripe is that without a playoff TCU shouldn’t get in just because “the judges like them”. Given the situation I’ll be perfectly happy if Ohio State ends up in the 4th spot.
Remember that this national process is not the same as a conference process. Conferences have clear rules about tie breakers (mostly) and that’s that. It doesn’t mean one team is better, it just means one team get’s place X and another team gets place Y.
In this national fake-quasi-beauty contest, head to head can matter sometimes when the conditions are right.
In this case, it clearly doesn’t mean much because the game was so close, it becomes a wash. So people look at other information, common opponents, margin of victory, strength of schedule, did they lose early or late, which teams did they lose to, etc.
Speakin’ of this Boise game, with some of those “top of the Stadium shots”, you can’t really make out the players in their blue uniforms against that blue field!
That’s the way Touchdown Jesus wants it.
ESPN listed a bunch of peoples picks for the 4 spots. One stands out - KC Joyner, leaves Oregon and FSU out and includes both TCU and Baylor, that’s pretty funny. I don’t have any idea who this joker is but clearly this was the wrong week for him to quit sniffing glue.
Yep. All those are things to look at.
When you put the two next to each other and look at their stats, they look pretty evenly matched. I’d still give the edge to the Bears.
Baylor stats
TCU stats
I think he remembers what an amazing game the Baylor vs. TCU game was and wishes he could see them play now, instead of back in October. It was a real barn burner. Perhaps you missed it? 
Seriously, the more I reflect on this, the more I wish the Big 12 didn’t do the round robin schedule. A championship game between these two teams would be one exciting game.
Who’s to say they wouldn’t be in the same Division and one would have been left out.
About 1/6 of all FBS teams were in one of those conferences when it was the reward for a conference championship. They game where their team locked up the trip saw players celebrating on the field with Roses in their teeth. The link was less direct during the BCS era but it wasn’t completely dead. For the majority of people living today, in most years, winning the conference championship meant roses.
It’s like a traditional rivalry game being important to 2 teams and their fans even when nobody else gets it. In this case 20 teams and their fans all bought in to the tradition for decades.