Gold standard, Ted?!
Gaaahhh! Kasich: “Philosophy doesn’t work when you run things.” What’s the freaking fixation on philosophy tonight??
He likes Dept of Commerce.
No, he wants to kill it twice.
Ok I gotta threadshit here but hey, who can not agree with the fact that commentary on this debate is not in GREAT deabtes?
[shrug] Like most Elections forum stuff, it’s midway between GD content and popcorn-and-heckling content.
It popped up in my Facebook feed from Politico as a parallel to Perry’s “Oops” moment of 2011. If nothing else he learned from his fellow Texan to never stop dribbling the ball when you find yourself someplace on the court that you don’t want to be. But why do these clowns obsess over what departments they’ll eliminate if elected president? Good grief, this is what the base is looking for from its candidates?
They like rapeseed…
No US presidential debates are any good. It is so strange to me because low info voters don’t care about these things, yet the few high info voters could not possibly take these things seriously. My claim is that debates both primary and otherwise are neither fish nor fowl – most people don’t care about them but their content is appalling to anyone smart enough to think “Hey, yeah, I would like to see these guys debate and find out more about who to vote for.” And, after all, there is zero reason to think that debates matter. If I were running for president I would rather have money, party support, and corporate support – not necessarily in that order. Debates? Who cares. If you want a good debate it is about argument and counter-argument conducted in a rational and systematic manner and that is not what our elections are about. I imagine the candidates think “Goddamn, I did everything I could to get the money behind me, and that gives me some cash to get the party behind me, and I have enough big money support to fool people with advertisements. Why do I have to answer questions on a stage? Well, I guess I can get some sound bites out of it and tradition requires me to do it, but I’ll be damned if this debate foolishness takes time away from getting support from rich folk.”
Sorry the I gotta threadshit post was meant to be deleted and substituted by my later post. I did work hard to have something substantive to say after my initial reaction, actually am happy that somehow the first post did not contain most of the first draft of my second post – thought it did but who cares just read the second post, sorry for my ineptness here.
Amen and the funniest thing is that the whole night was a bunch of rhetoric and the sure fire deflation of that kind of sophistry is philosophy. But then that is why they go after it.
Yes he did. And then suggested that American workers should lower their standards if they want to compete against nations that pay their workers squat. And then the kicker: he suggested that if workers just work *reeaaallly * hard they’ll get into that upper stratum. Oh joy of joys! My day is coming-- Mr. Trump says so!
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/7175503
Reminds me of a quote from another fleecer on the stage tonight: “We have never been a nation of haves and have-nots. We are a nation of haves and soon-to-haves, of people who have made it and people who will make it.”
Just work harder you plebs!
According to PayScale.com, Rubio is wrong. Those with Bachelor’s Degrees in philosophy make an average between $37k and $83k. Welders make an average of $23k to $63k.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Bachelor_of_Arts_(BA),_Philosophy/Salary
I think it’s because philosophy summons images for their audience of useless eggheads who want to control the minutae of everyone else’s lives out of an arrogant belief that they know better.
I wonder how much conservatives truly, honestly agree with assertions like those quoted in post 52, and to what extent.
What’s the opposite of a loaded question?
A gift question?
What ever it is, this has to be a prime example.
GOP Debate Moderator: How Will You Compete With ‘Free Stuff’ From Dems?
I heard that the GOP candidates had whined about aggressive questioning in the previous debate. So now the moderators are giving them pandering “questions” like this?
That’s not a softball, that’s a tee-ball, with a hand job from the team mascot thrown in!
Haven’t seen much else of the debate.
Was there much of this kind of thing going on?
About all I got from this debate is that Kasich is afraid that if Hillary Clinton, god forbid, gets elected, his 16 year old daughters might undergo some terrible calamity, like, I dunno, experiencing health care and control over their own reproductive organs.
Carly Fiorina’s Bachelor’s degree is in Philosophy.
I didn’t see a lot of it. Chris Matthews said that Carson was much like a beauty pageant contestant, spewing out word salad and hoping for coherence. I tend to agree, he was lost out there and way over his head. Besides whining about his autolieography being exposed, what was he there for?
Trump is getting better as a candidate. I predict the Carson surge is over and some of his support will swing back to Donald. What they all seem to be doing is being expert at throwing red meat to the adoring crowd. Their universal rejection of the minimum wage hike is going to be their millstone next year.
In short, it’s the typical anti-intellectual Repub position. I’m surprised that Cruz didn’t say something like “Remember when they renamed the first Harry Potter book for the American market? What word did the publishers find was the closest match with ‘philosopher’? ‘Sorceror!’ Therefore, Carly Fiorina is a witch! BURN HER!”
I didn’t watch the thing but my local CBS news had some coverage. And they were actually fact-checking a couple of claims. (Relating to salaries of philosophy majors vs welders, and lies about the minimum wage.) Cruz’s missing department was repeated but they noted he didn’t “oops” it like Our Last Governor.
This is your basic morning news show. People watch for weather & traffic. Details of the latest murder & something light. But there was actually some substance…