Kelli’s parents were out of line. Imagine if your inlaws aked you to live in a separate house from your wife, How would you feel?
Their difficulties in coming to terms with a gay daughter (or in this case simple crass discomfort with the neighbors finding out) deserve no consideration or sympathy at all. They certainly had no right to impose themselves on the relationship like that.
Yes. Homophobia is not anything which merits understanding or patience. That kid needed to be set straight.
She didn’t exactly “out” Clay Aiken, by the way. It’s not like it was a secret.
I’m pretty much indifferent to Rosie O’Donnell but it seems to me that the right wing media finds excuses to bash her more because she’s a lesbian and she’s [gasp] not ashamed of it, than for any other reason. Their pretended shock at the “Chinaman” thing was laughably disingenuous.
Well, Dio, I suppose your post illustrates the real reason behind the fact that anyone gives a shit about that reprehensible woman: politics!
The fact that one is on the right or wrong side of this or that politically correct issue doesn’t give them carte blanche to behave like an asshole to the other side. You know by now that I have no problem at all with gay relationships, but I have a big problem with people who act like assholes. I would have reacted the same way if they were a hetero couple who just wanted to live together, or who for any reason found themselves in a situation their parents disapproved of. Everyone knows that (most) parents don’t want to discuss their children’s sex lives, and to come right out and say to Kelli’s parents, in effect, “I want to be able fuck her whenever I want” (a rather chauvinistic comment, btw, wouldn’t you say…O’Donnell just assuming, you know, that Kelli is her little fuckdoll and subject to her beck and call?) is not something you say to someone’s parents no matter what the provocation.
I saw the parents as intruding on something that wasn’t any of their business. It was rude for THEM to bring up the living arrangement at all. Anything after that was fair game. “Fuck off” would have been perfectly acceptable as well.
Dio, Rosie’s accusations that Kelly Ripa was a homophobe were out of line, as were her comments about Danny DeVito and many other things she’s said. Being gay doesn’t give one a pass to be an asshole.
I do agree that Kelli’s parents were out of line, though. I can understand them having a hard time, but they probably should have left Rosie out of it.
ETA: I forgot to mention-remember the comment she made to a former employee at her magazine who was suffering from cancer? “Liars get cancer.”
Yeah, but saying “I don’t know where his hand has been” is hardly homophobic. It’s a very common saying, and as someone who has worked in a hospital as a volunteer, let me tell you, it’s a pretty legit concern.
And let’s not forget that Rosie pressured Kelli to stop breastfeeding one of their children because SHE, Rosie, felt left out.
And I’m saying that she was. This “I’m right and noble and you’re total pond scum” approach to dealing with social issues is precisely the reason why it’s so difficult to accomplish otherwise laudable social change in this country. There are many people on the other side of this issue who think it’s just as appropriate to treat gays as pond scum. Neither approach is right, and neither approach accomplishes anything but polarization.
I see a Contest here, a la the Death Pool. Starting in (say) June we post paragraphs nominating the most loathsome people in the world in 2007. No real winners or course, only whiners. Good idea or no?
It strikes me that you find it inappropriate that Rosie O’Donnell’s feelings should be of paramount concern to Rosie O’Donnell. To whom do you suggest they be of paramount concern? Somehow, I don’t see you volunteering your own emotional line of credit…
What it means - and I’m sure you know this - is that she values her own feelings far more than she values the feelings of others. She expects everyone else to comport themselves so as to please her and/or not offend her, yet she cares not one whit about comporting herself in such a way as to please/not offend others. She’s 180 degrees opposite the golden rule.
You know her well, do you? Have interacted with her personally? Thought so.
Boy do some of these posts ever look like Battle of Tabloid Headlines. ‘The Inquiring World Planet says Rosie’s a big meanie’ 'Oh, yeah, well I read in Weekly Star News Reporter that she makes Kelli wear blue underwear! :eek: ’ ‘Yeah and I heard that …’ bla bla. Seriously. It’s pretty sad.
Plenty of people have bashed Trump, Ripa, and the rest of Hollywood without notice but let Old Donny Trump go apoplectic and suddenly it’s a Big Deal that Rosie did it. Ridiculous, all this. I put it to you that if anyone but a female had critized The Doughhead, he’d not have lost what passes for his mind. In fact, I’ve heard male CNN anchors trash him and he’s not out calling them names.
As for Reege and Kelly, I can’t begin to imagine how anyone can stomach their tiresomely sticky inanity. If it were me on The View, Reege & Kel and Donald would have a heckuva lot more to whine about.
I enjoyed the 50 Most Loathsome article. A lot. If I smoked, I’d have wanted one afterward. This thread, not so much.
Well, for the record, what I know, is that I’ve read some of what you and some others have written about her on the Straight Dope Message Board. For the most part, she’s off my personal radar screen.
As to the Golden Rule, in the long run, I’m in favor of it. I like the way it dovetails nicely with “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” Somewhat complicated to do that effectively if thou forgetseth to love thyself, I’d say. When a new family is created, and a conflict as to living arrangements arises between the pre-existing family and the new family, ISTM that the final decision will need to be made by the members of the new family, after all the negotiations are slogged through.
Doing it in public seems tacky to me, though. Does being a so-called “celebrity couple”, always in the goldfish bowl, mean that Ms. O’Donnell and her chosen mate don’t have the right to the negotiations, or to the final word, do you think? I’m a little uncomfortable with that notion, myself, and I’d hope that you would be, too.
How do you come to be so . . . informed about this to-do, if I may ask?
IIRC, the episode I’m speaking of took place long before a family existed. It took place either at the time that Kelli’s parents were made aware of her homosexuality and relationship with O’Donnell, or shortly thereafter when they’d decided to live together.
What on Earth have I said that would indicate that I oppose either negotiations or the final decision being made by the couple in question? My objection is based upon the fact that that tactless, insensitive, beligerent, bellicose and bullying bitch (pretty good job of alliteration, there, don’t you think?) chose to object to the arrangement suggested by Kelli’s parents by declaring “But I want to have sex with her!”
Soitenly! I’m more than happy to reiterate it for the benefit of those who missed where I explained it above. I saw her bragging about it myself during an interview on one of the television magazine shows (perhaps 20/20) a couple of years ago.
The decision to live together, IMHO, marks the point at which they begin to form a new family. Evidently, you see it differently.
Then I would hope you would join me in being horrified not only that Ms. O’Donnell would answer questions on the record about the dispute (regardless of the form her answer took), but that a so-called “journalist” would have the execreble taste to ask them…
You actually encourage such tactlessness by watching programs of that nature? Oh, well, I suppose I’m in no position to judge. I have shameful secrets, too.
'Course, I have the self respect to be properly ashamed of my own shameful behaviors, and to not parade them for the world to see.
Except the fact that I’m a Doper. That one I parade.
How come you left off the rest of my post in order to make this astute observation? You know as well as I do that there is a big difference between being most concerned with your own feelings vs. expecting everyone else to kowtow to them (ala calling Kelly Ripa to task for making comments that “to me, as a gay woman, sound homophobic”), and all the while trampling totally unconcernedly over the feelings of others (ala the “But I want to fuck her!” comment made to her girlfriend’s parents or the “Liars get cancer” comment mentioned above that she made to an underling at her magazine. She is an utterly reprehensible human being and I can’t imagine for the life of me why anyone would even like her! As I said before, if she was your boss you’d hate her and if she was your neighbor you’d avoid her, but because she’s on television and apparently speaks to politically-correct issues vis-a-vis her big mouth and lifestyle, she’s lionized by many of the very same people who quite rightly wouldn’t have the first thing to do with her in real life! Go figure!
And btw, Quiddity, I’ve detested this woman for years. I have a deep and abiding hatred of bullies, and she is quite simply a bully. I don’t quite know why I hate bullies so much, as I had very little trouble with them when I was young, but to me there are few people on the face of the Earth who are more despicable than bullies. So there ya go!
Indeed. I tend not to view a couple as a family. I’m not saying they couldn’t rightly be considered as such, just that I’ve never looked at them that way.
I can’t believe I’m about to defend a “journalist” , but IIRC, the question that led to this disgusting revelation was rather benign, something along the line of “How did your families react when you told them you’d decided to live together?”
Not exactly. I never watch those shows unless I happen to be at the home of someone else who has one on (as was the case in this instance), and believe me, if I have control of the TV, the channel gets switched instantly the moment she appears.
No shit? Then call Baba Wawa; I’m sure she’d cough up a pretty fair penny if you’ll reveal them to her audience.
, but IIRC, the question that led to this disgusting revelation was rather benign, something along the line of “How did your families react when you told them you’d decided to live together?”