…and with Chuck Schumer, on the phone attempting to activate assistance. I see her as feeling remorse that she didn’t anticipate and head off an unprecedented attack (which she might not have been able to do anyway, since she can’t call up the Guard), not that she’s agreeing it was her responsibility to safeguard the process.
Didn’t Pence finally call for the Guard?
Exactly. It’s certainly possible to game out scenarios, but how do you truly prepare for something that’s never happened before?
I’m reminded of the old Truman saying? “The buck stops here?” (I think that was Truman) That is the bare minimum we should be holding presidents to. Trump is the exact opposite, the buck NEVER stops with him. There’s always someone else he’s going to try to shift the blame on to.
Well that’s not exactly true… the buck stops with Trump if it’s going in his pocket.
Yep.
The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation.”
In contrast, Milley said, Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told Milley that military officials needed to “kill the narrative that the Vice President is making all the decisions” and worked against sending personnel to help with the escalating situation.
So not only did Trump not deploy the national guard, his administration actively tried to interfere with getting it deployed. Pence stepped in because there was literally no one else with the authority that could do that. I hate to put it this way but Pence was the real president on January 6th. Trump had completely abandoned his responsibilities. (I know, big surprise right?)
First clown to enter the capitol on 1/6 has been sentenced.
She did not have the authority to deploy the National Guard. Was she involved in how advance plans were made wrt the placement of the Capitol Police, and if so, when were such decisions made and could she have asked that the NG be made available to supplement them (not that any such request was ever likely to bear fruit, given that the America-hating fuckstick would have had to sign off on it)?
Regardless of her actual ability to influence the defenses, the argument your friend is advancing is a logical fallacy. Pelosi is using “responsible” in a completely different meaning than your friend is when he says “Pelosi was responsible for the violence, not Trump.”
Superdude’s friend, I think.
Could they have deployed more police? Could the fire department been called to hose down the rioters? Being sprayed with water in early Janaury has to be an unpleasant experiance.
Sorry, but this may be a hijack now that I think about it. If anyone is interested lets start another thread or direct me an existing one please.
Right. Just to clarify my previous post where I said “maybe”. Pelosi herself, in that clip, seems to think that there was possibly something else she could have done to prevent what was happening at the time. That’s a very reasonable response to such a chaotic situation, and I was trying to allow for her own statement. I’m not personally convinced she could. And I don’t know what sort of authority she may or may not have had over the capital police.
That said, my greater point of course was that she was in the middle of an attempted coup/insurrection. Donald Trump was sitting in the White House eating big macs. The idea that Pelosi had some kind of greater responsibility here is insane.
I’ve often thought of that. On the other hand, these people where so full of hate and ignorance it may not have mattered. Worth a shot though.
The Grounds must have a sprinkler system, right? turn it on. It may require that that the big impact sprinklers be moved one by one. The get ‘plugged’ into the ground. If so, I would revise that with the ability to add an irritant. Nothing too serious.
There are a lot of threads I can post this in, but I felt it was most appropriate here:
Actual article here:
Video of Trump admitting he lost by a whisker is embedded in article.
So, is that evidence that he knew he lost, and therefore wasn’t talking about material he believed (in error) correct, but was in fact 100% knowingly, inciting a insurrection? (specific to this thread)
Otherwise, that sure seems like he’s just torpedoed a bunch of his defenses in other cases as well.
I guess it depends on when he knew he lost, though I believe the Jan 6 Committee put out a lot of evidence that he knew shortly after the election that he’d lost.
Its another nail in his big fat coffin. Prosecutors will definitely use his many statements against him.
His grudging admission seems, not surprisingly, to have upset some of his past supporters…
I thought EVEYTHING was left of MAGA.
Good one!
A great quote from the above linked USA Today article:
“So, why did we do Stop the Steal? Why did did anyone go to Jan. 6? Why did any one go to jail? … It would have been good to know that before 1,600 people got charged,” Fuentes said on his podcast
Is it possible that disillusionment might finally be poking the tiniest of holes through the cult’s veil of lies?