A Bittersweet Reminder (or, Me and My Unreasonable Standards)

I went on a date with a woman last Sunday; let’s call her F. Like me, F is a lawyer…she’s also intelligent, interesting, and attractive. The date lasted around four hours – dinner and drinks – and I had a thoroughly enjoyable time. I wasn’t besotted or anything, and we weren’t quite on the same wavelength, personality-wise, but it was definitely worthwhile and I’m going to see her again soon.

Then the next night, on Monday, I went out with my friend M (also a lawyer). This one requires a little bit of an explanation: I dated M for a couple months about a year and a half ago. It didn’t really end well; I wanted to be more serious than she did and she was going through a lot at work, so we saw each other less and less frequently until the whole thing dissipated. I thought then – and I think now – that I’ve rarely met someone with whom I’ve had more of a sense of commonality than M, and it was sad to see the relationship end. We flat out got along really well, even if the romantic side of it fizzled.

Anyway, M and I recently reconnected and have hung out a couple of times. She’s dating someone at the moment (who doesn’t exactly approve of her spending time with me), so there’s no prospect of anything rekindling. And that’s fine with me – I’ve always been someone who’s able to stay on good terms with exes, and it’s genuinely nice to have another friend who shares so many of my interests and so much of my sense of humor.

But here’s the thing. Like M (and, notably, unlike F), I’m a total law geek. I love long, complicated discussions about the state of the world from a legal perspective. I’m an academic at heart, and I sincerely believe that new legal theories can have a tremendous impact on society; what’s more, I believe that my friends and I are potentially intelligent enough to effect some real and positive change, if only we had the drive and passion to put our ideas out there into the proverbial marketplace. And when I got together with M last Monday, I was reminded just how articulate I can be. Simply put, she makes my mind hum. I think in hypertime when I’m sparring with her. Too often, arguing with someone whose intellect I respect makes it difficult for me to clearly express what I’m trying to say; I’m so conscious that they’ll exploit the weaknesses in my argument that I have trouble formulating the argument in the first place. But with M I felt damn near inspired by the give and take; the evening was absolutely amazing. And she, too, clearly loved the discussion we were having; we’ve made plans to try and write something together in the future.

(As an aside, I may have scared M away by expressing these thoughts to her via e-mail last week. I haven’t heard from her since, and I’m hoping she didn’t simply decide after all that establishing a friendship with me would, on balance, potentially disrupt her status quo and thus not be worth the trouble. The e-mail was probably needlessly sincere and might well have scared her off. I tend to be over-eager about things that’re important to me, which often backfires. Not much to be done, if true.)

Anyway. My evening with M provided a marked contrast to my date with F. Most importantly, it made me realize that my ideal mate is someone who inspires that kind of clear thought in me; it’s incredible to feel like talking with someone brings you closer to fulfilling your intellectual potential. At base, the biggest reason I’m not in a relationship at the moment is that I’m incredibly picky – the sort of woman with whom I have a mutual feeling of attraction and enjoyment and engagement is uncommon enough already. But this is something else entirely. I really dunno if I can be happy settling for someone who’s “just” interesting, intelligent, and attractive like F…not if I know that this kind of thing is out there somewhere.

Bottom line is that I wanna be with the kind of person who makes me think in hypertime, the kind of person who – along with all the other wonderful romantic things – makes me believe that I can actually change the world. And this, I guess, makes it even harder for me to find whoever it is I’d eventually like to find.

I feel the same way, compadre. Me, personally, I think I’m going to look for the one who I really connect with like you and M, who inspires me. At least until I start getting old enough to get desperate.

I can relate to your feelings about how hard it is to find that person who truly inspires you and kindles that special spark…but, knowing that such a thing IS possible, I just can’t bear the thought of settling for anything less. If that means I end up alone, well, obviously that isn’t my first choice, but it’s certainly a lot better than being stuck in an unsatisfying relationship.
My own personal feeling is that God has a weird sense of humor, and I just know that as soon as I married some guy who was “acceptable” but not really awe-inspiring, Mr. Perfect would suddenly show up in my life. :stuck_out_tongue:

Another member of the unreasonable standards school of thought checking in…

I had a friend in grad school who got married when she was 27 because that was what she was supposed to do at that age. Just about every conversation about her then future husband started with “I love Mike, but…” I think theirs was the saddest wedding that I’ve ever attended. I’ve lost contact with them, but always wondered whether it lasted.

At 48, I still haven’t found the person I magically connect with, but that hasn’t kept me from having a happy life with lots of friends and lots to do. Yeah, I’m lonely sometimes, but I’m not wasting my time putting up with a person that I settled for. I’d feel much lonelier if I shared my life with someone who wasn’t quite my better half.

My best friend’s Latin teacher keeps me hopeful: she found her true love just as she was ready to retire.

GT

Yeah, good point about loneliness. It is easy as a single person to think, “If I just had someone to love, I wouldn’t be lonely anymore!” but relationships really aren’t a guarantee against loneliness. It can end up being far more lonely and isolating to be in an unhappy marriage than to be single but with the freedom to fill your time as you please with friends, hobbies, etc.

gardentraveler:

lavenderviolet:

This is absolutely true. My last long-term relationship lasted two years and, though I genuinely loved her (and we remain good friends), I was pretty much miserable for the final year or so.

fetus:

:slight_smile:

For a person who has a passion - whether it is for career or for a hobby - it is important to have someone who shares - or at least understands that passion.

If you love law, or politics, or rock climbing, or model railroads, a lasting relationship or marriage will be on shaky ground if your partner doesn’t at least have deep empathy for that passion. After a while, you’ll gravitate to people who do share your passion - and that pretty much leaves your partner to fend for him or her self.

I’ve seen it happen too often and it’s not always another romantic involvement. It may be spending all your time at work or with organizations that involve law or rock climbing, or model railroads.

There are lots of people with whom you can spend some wonderful times that don’t involve your favorite subject, but when it comes to findng a permanent partner, the term “soul mate” implies a partner who can understand your most fervent interests.

There’s another side to this coin, though. I’ve seen it work where each person has a different passion. Each person then brings a different kind of enrichment to the partnership. This only works if both people have a strong interest in something. Otherwise one person ends up feeling very left out and lonely.

Perhaps I’m merely overly romantic, but I haven’t seen anyone mention actual unreasonable standards yet. Unless, while I wasn’t paying attention, someone went and made the kind of connection and understanding I expect from good love unreasonable.

Truer words were never spoken. Hold out for that someone–settling is something buildings should do, not people.

Telperien:

I dunno, a standard that excludes the vast majority of an already drastically winnowed pool of potential partners seems kinda unreasonable to me. :slight_smile: It was hard enough for me to find someone I liked (and who liked me) before this wonderful little epiphany of mine; now it’s gonna be well-nigh impossible.

And I still haven’t heard back from M. :frowning:

Don’t forget that sometimes you have to date someone for a little while before that true intellectual side comes out. Often you have to get through the hot and heavy time before you really get to know the person inside and out. It’s possible that F. isn’t ready to show you that side of her yet. So don’t give up on F. yet. (or M. for that matter). Good luck!

I hope she’ll contact you soon.

Well, you see, I have come to terms with the fact that while a lot of people seem to like me, there aren’t a lot of people willing to put up with my crap. It works out OK, though; there aren’t a lot of people whose crap I’m willing to put up with, either. I know there aren’t very many potential partners out there for me, but maybe it just doesn’t bother me as much as (what I perceive to be) a similar situation for you (bothers you, I mean). I am probably a little younger than you are, though, so that could be part of it as well. Differing personalities also deal with this differently. I have a friend who is in an on-again, off-again relationship with a psycho hosebeast. She knows the situation is bad, but she’s so convinced that no one else will love her that she won’t cut ties with said hosebeast.

Does that make you feel any better? I used to be really good at making people feel better, but lately I seem to have slipped.

Once, during the festivals of the town where I live, I met this guy.

I was 16, he was 18. I was crazy about planes and intended to go into some kind of engineering; he had been accepted to become a pilot. He was terrifically handsome by my standards, ok by my friends’. He was spending two weeks in our province’s capital, which is where my family is from. He’d met some people his age there, who’d invited him to come over. It was a Thursday night. My group and his group merged around 11:30pm; we sat down for some re-dinner at 3am and the two of us randomly ended up together. We talked and talked and talked and my brain was thinking about three things at the same time: 1) the debate we were having, we were both the kind of person who likes debate per se, not as a way to convince the other person but as a mode of communication; 2) “oh my god he’s sooooo gorgeous”; 3) “if I ask XYZ to ask her cousin, I might be able to get his address and it may not be too obvious”.

On Sunday we went to the province’s capital to see my great-uncle, who was in his deathbed.

HOW DARE HE BE MY SECOND-COUSIN FROM OUT-OF-PROVINCE! Damnit! Guess that explains the physically attractive part too, evidently my foremothers and his foremothers had similar tastes :smiley:

(No, second-cousins is not acceptable. Too close, I come from a place with very strict incest taboos. He’d been thinking of how to get my address, too.)

I am going to hate myself so much for this, but…

Oh, snap!

::slaps self:: OK, I’m better now. :smiley:

Darn attractive relatives! I say this with fervency, as I have numerous male cousins who are quite attractive. Not that I’d ever actually been interested in any of them, since I knew they were my cousins, but still.

How close of cousins wouldn’t be too close? (I can’t believe I’m asking this question.)

I don’t think you should worry about the pool of potential mates being too small, Gadarene. You only have to meet one person, as long as it’s the right one.

I wouldn’t worry too much about being an oddball, either. I didn’t meet my husband until I was 33, and I really didn’t expect to ever find anyone as weird as me in all the same ways, but there he was, single and living in the same city and registered with the same internet dating service and everything! I’m so glad I didn’t settle for good enough.

Gadarene I feel your pain all too much. There’s a guy out there, well, there’s no such thing as perfection–but he’s a genius by and far the smartest man I know, he’s an amazing man with a real spine and strong convictions and the same f-yeah worldview as I do.

Problem is–he’s too good. Entirely different in income levels (not that I give a shit, but when he’s at the “trophy wives fall over their feet trying to get to him” level, you realize you have nothing to offer to him). Entirely different levels of intelligence, though that’s what attracted me to him in the first place. And so on. He’s not just a few levels above me, he’s on another friggin’ planet.

We befriended each other, I had a crush on him early last year, and I tried my best to forget about him when it was clear I had no chance with him. We parted ways or so I thought. In the meanwhile, I fell in love with another guy, who works in the same company as I did, and we got semi-serious.

In a way, that relationship was doomed to fail since he wanted some intimacy I wasn’t used to. But, the beginning of the end can be traced to when Mr. Near-Perfect, out of the blue, re-established communication with me. I have no intention of crushing on him ever again, but when he contacted me, it was an emotional punch in the gut.

If you ever get a chance to eat crumbs from the banquet of the gods, don’t do it unless you’re confident you’ll be eating all your meals there.

Tolerates would be a better description of the way my husband and I feel about each other’s passions. I’m a poet. He thinks Hallmark cards are poetic. He’s a ham and loves to fish. I think ham and fish are really really good on sandwiches, though preferably not the same sandwich.

I think I know what the OP means: there are a few people in my life who I connect with in every way except romantically, and being around them always reminds me of what I’m not willing to settle for just to have that romantic connection. Sometimes it’s frustrating, but mostly I think it’s a good thing. I don’t care how good the sex is, if the intellectual “click” isn’t there neither is any long-term potential. Short-term, sure. Maybe medium-term, if the sex is really good. But not long-term. :smiley:

If it helps any, seeing your username usually makes me feel better. :slight_smile:

Aww, thank you so much. That was very kind. And likewise.

Misnomer:

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. :slight_smile:

More responses soon.