Picky While Dating/Finding A SO

Hey Dopers.

I’ve got a question about dating and settling down. Background: I’m 26 and thinking that I’d like to find a long term SO. The idea of starting a family - not now mind you, but in the next five years or so - excites me. I’d love to find that someone who could be my partner in life.

I’ve dated a number of women in the past five years. None of the relationships have worked out; a few left me, and I left a few as well. The times I have broken up with someone, it was always because I felt as if they were not a suitable long term partner. I loved them, and in the time I had been with them I had enjoyed myself, but I couldn’t see myself with them over the long haul so I ended the relationship. I worry sometimes that I am being too picky.

Perhaps I’m approaching this in too cerebral a fashion, but I feel as if finding a SO with whom I could spend the rest of my life with and raise children is perhaps the most important choice I will make. So I’m curious as to how others made that choice.

So for Dopers that are in (or have been in) long term relationships that worked out: what were the most important points you had in common with your SO? What qualities were most important to you, and what were you willing to compromise on?

For those that were in relationships that didn’t work out - what was the cause? What was the issue(s) that drove you apart?

I guess I’m just looking for general advice on how you knew* that the person you were with was someone you could marry and see yourself starting a family with. What made you go “this is the one.”

*As much as anyone can know - I realize nothing is a sure thing, but what made you propose/say yes to the one you married.

Don’t date people who you know have deal-breakers right from the start. It seems kind of obvious, but we all do it - spend time and emotional energy on someone that you knew from Day One wasn’t a good fit for you, but you either hoped they’d change or the attraction was so strong that you decided to overlook the fact that they didn’t want the same things as you.

That’s one area where online dating excels - you set your parameters and you can see other people’s parameters right from the start, instead of going on a couple of dates and finding out once you’re already attracted to them that they don’t want kids, don’t want to get married, are too religious (or not religious enough), or whatever.

The big stuff: a spouse of mine would have to agree with me on childrearing philosophy for the most part; we would have to have similar priorities and values (e.g., family is most important; making a comfortable secure living is important; career for its own sake is less important); we’d have to be on the same page with money; we’d have to have similar ideas about partnership (I want an equal partner, though I’m totally fine with preferring different jobs – I do a lot more childrearing duties, but mr. hunter does more housework).

The more specific stuff that was important to me: To make the relationship work, requirements of mine were for someone with the same sense of humor, who was good at technical work (that’s a random bias and dealbreaker of mine), who was laid-back, who was supportive of me, who was patient with me, who was non-critical, who was able to discuss things reasonably instead of fighting even when he was upset, who didn’t fight dirty. (Not to denigrate people who aren’t patient or who do fight – I’m not horribly patient myself – but specifically because of the family I grew up in, it was very important to my mental health to marry someone who had these specific character traits.) A spouse of mine would also have to be able to discuss things rationally, and consider my point of view and argument even if it didn’t agree with his. (He wouldn’t have to agree, but he’d have to at least attempt to see my point of view.) Oh, and have good grammar. I couldn’t deal with someone who couldn’t spell or who didn’t know the difference between “its” and “it’s.” Oh, and someone who didn’t want to be joined at the hip all the time (broke up with one boyfriend over this – he found a girl who was very clingy and I think they are very happy together).

The things that turned out not to matter as much: I’d always thought I wanted someone really musical, you know, the sort who plays several instruments and sings like an angel. mr. hunter can carry a tune, but that’s about it. We have different political beliefs, but that’s ok because we rarely talk about politics. We are of different religions (I would rather have married inside my religion, I suppose, all things being equal), but that doesn’t matter because we have the same general attitude towards religion (it’s important to us, but we are cool with mocking it too). I also thought I liked dark slim guys, but mr. hunter turns out to be a blond blue-eyed tall guy, so that went out the window too! He doesn’t have a whole lot of ambition and even less wish to be social, which I suppose I’d slightly prefer. I’d probably also prefer someone who wasn’t quite as much into doing his own thing and maybe slightly more into couple things, although we’ve pretty much settled into a groove with that.

My husband’s list was something like my first paragraph, I think (he’s a little less picky than I am), although he got several “freebies” – we share pretty much exactly the same sense of humor; I am mostly-rational (“more-or-less,” he’d probably say); and I’ve got a technical background, which he gets a huge kick out of. And we like the same kinds of books (which was a freebie for me too; I would have been happy marrying someone who didn’t). He’d probably also add that he needed someone who wouldn’t nag him – he is utterly allergic to that – and someone who was comfortable doing her own thing.

A.Selene, what kinds of things are you picky about? That would help answer the question of “are you too picky?” Big things (matching values, priorities) I don’t think you can really be too picky about. And it’s okay to have a couple of dealbreakers, like spelling :slight_smile: But too many of those, and yes, you’re getting into too-picky territory.

Two things you need to know about any potential wife: How does she feel about her father?and How do you feel about her mother?
The way her father interacted with her is the way she will expect you to interact with her. This can be overcome but marrying someone who loves and respects her father will give you an enourmous headstart to a succesful marriage.
You should try to find out what kind of person her mother is as soon as possible. Almost every woman is slowly turning into her mother and marriage and kids will speed the process up. There will be small differences, that to them feel huge, but for the most part who you end up marrying will be their mother with the volume turned up or down ten percent.

If you are picky, then you need to be lucky. Find someone who is interested in growing and improving themselves over time, and who can maintain and commit to a relationship, and you can survive all the little details. If you find the perfect mate, who agrees with you on all significant matters, and practices what they preach, then I hate you.

Wow! I had never looked at it that way. My husband and I are a lot like my parents in a lot of ways.

I mean, it’s great…but spooky…and maybe creepy…

I think its bullshit personally.

Date with the intention of finding a husband. That’s of course, if you are ready to settle down. It kind of sounds like you are. So instead of just dating to date and have a good time…date with intention.

Kill the relationship early, if you see signs that don’t match up with what you’re looking for. When people reach their late 20’s and 30’s very seldom will they change. So don’t think that this guy is perfect except for 1, 2, and 3, but you can probably change him. Won’t happen. Think of it like telemarketing. Don’t waste your time small talking the guy on the phone about the warranty of your product, if you can tell he’s not going to close the deal move on to the next line.

You need to have a good understanding of who YOU are and what YOU want out of life. How YOU would want to raise a family. Etc. But at the same time finding someone that’s going to match up 100% with you is near impossible, so you will need to be able to compromise and look for someone else that also willing to compromise. Stick to your guns on the big stuff, but don’t sweat the small stuff.

Good luck. I personally don’t believe that people’s soul mates exist, but there are alot of good people that make good matches for each other, so happy hunting.

I am a lot more like my dad than my mother. In fact, I’m probably like my dad with the volume turned down.

I love my dad to bits, but the love I have for my husband is a LOT different, and I treat my husband very differently than my dad - he’s nothing like my dad. The way we treat each other is a LOT different than the way my mother and father interact.

That’s total crap - it’s what people tell each other so they can feel that they’ve figured out the key to chosing a partner. There is no shortcut. You’ve got to get to know the person, get to know what you want in a partner, and understand whether someone can give you what you want.

Be picky about the things that actually matter to you: don’t be picky about the things you think should matter to you, or that you’ve just kind of blindly assume do matter because they mattered when you were 16 and you still have those filters in place, or that matter to your mother.

To me, the number one sign of strength in a relationship is whether or not the “work” of a relationship feel onerous or like an adventure. All relationships take work, but it should be satisfying work, like gardening or cooking or building furniture or learning an instrument. It shouldn’t feel like you are enduring the work times to get to the good stuff: it should all be different types of good stuff–some more obviously “fun”, but all productive and meaningful and worth doing for it’s own sake.

Second, pick someone that you trust enough to always give them the benefit of the doubt. Relationships are an endless series of comments and actions that could be taken as mean or passive aggressive, or could be taken as innocent. If you aren’t 100% sure they aren’t being mean or passive aggressive, leave. Don’t spend any time with someone you don’t trust to be fundamentally decent. And don’t spend time with anyone that doesn’t see you in the same way.

Last, be with someone you admire and respect. If you think they aren’t quite as good as you, if there are no areas where you think they are better than you, it’s only a matter of time before contempt sets in, and that’s the end. Now, it’s ok to think you’re more talented in some areas or whatever, but those need to be balanced by areas where you think they are more talented than yourself.

For me and my husband, the opener was mutual attraction, similar sense of humor and interest in each other’s lives. Now that we’ve been married for a while, what keeps us going is all that plus a lot of work. For me, having kids has been (and continues to be) the biggest test of our relationship. Getting married and living together was sometimes hard to get used to, but it really pales in comparison to raising kids for me.

And that’s mostly because, yes, we agreed with each other on all the big stuff. We thought that meant married life and parenthood would be easy or that we’d at least always present a united front. Not so. Little, nitpicky things bother you that never would’ve occurred to you earlier, especially when you’re talking about kids. Or you find you agree about the end result, but not about how to get there. So one spouse wants to do it one way while the other thinks a different way is better. Then you have one spouse assuming the other thinks his/her way is inferior.

Agreeing on the big stuff got us to the point where we wanted to get married in the first place. Working through the small day to day shit that can erode a relationship is what keeps us together.

So, if you’re wife shopping or husband shopping, start with the big stuff, then get down to the little stuff. If you can get through the small stuff and still feel interested in the other person and physically attracted, you’re doing well.

…sometimes. Thank God though that my husband didn’t take your advice. I have some of my mom’s traits, but I’m much more like my dad. That is, if my dad were a woman who grew up in the US and had loving parents instead of unloving/dead ones. Er, that is, not a whole bunch like him at all. And my husband would be the first to agree that I didn’t learn my inter-relationship skills from my mom. Or my dad. Our relationship is nothing like the one I have with my parents (mostly consisting of my parents telling me what to do, and me pointing out I’m not going to do it – this is the reason I had to marry someone who would not tell me what to do, so as not to replicate that dynamic) or the one my parents have with each other.

On the other hand, my husband does have the essential niceness of his parents, and clearly learned a great deal of his inter-relationship skills from them. I suspect our relationship is a lot like theirs. So there’s that.

ETA: Also (and I think I keep saying this in thread after thread, because she is just that cool) what Manda JO said.

Excellent advice.

I don’t know if I can get behind the idea of all relationship work being rewarding. I think ideally, yes. But my marriage had some very unrewarding aspects that were no one’s fault but not rewarding in the slightest. At bare minimum, the reward just has to balance out the work. Ideally, the work is all very rewarding, but in real life I think there are things that are the emotional equivalent of cleaning the litter box. No fun but they need doing.

I get what you’re saying, but I think that once you get to the point in a relationship where you are frequently reminding yourself that “It’s worth it overall, it’s worth it overall”, you’re in a downward spiral. There are sometimes long, long periods in relationships where it’s nothing but the work. You’ve got to find even those periods rewarding, or else there isn’t any bond to rejuvenate when you get back to the good stuff.

I don’t agree that you have to find the work rewarding. There should be things that are rewarding in the midst of those long periods, not the work itself.

I just don’t find it at all realistic to suggest that people find work inherently rewarding. Most people simply don’t. We find that work makes rewarding things possible.

That is complete, utter, total bullshit. Some women? Yes. Most women? I doubt it, but, whatever. Almost every woman? No fucking way.

Honestly? The single most important point we have in common is that we both feel like the lucky one in this relationship. (Not that either of us feels the other got stuck with the booby prize or anything.) It really keeps the things we disagree on in perspective; it’s easier to let the little stupid bullshit go, and to discuss and compromise on the bigger stuff when you honestly like and respect someone and feel like you get more than you give. I mean, yes, agreeing that we don’t want kids is vital, as is being within a standard deviation or so in our attitudes toward sex, money, and family. But ultimately those things are stuff that can split you up, not stuff that can hold you together.

As for what made me agree to marry him…well, he’s awesome and I’m lucky to have him. When I get good news, he’s the first person I want to run and tell. When I get bad news, he’s the first person I want to turn to for comfort. Wherever we might be, if I’m with him, I feel like I’m home. I’d have been nuts to ever think about not marrying him.

I actually don’t agree with this at all. My dad was a wonderful father, but not a great husband. He was lazy and didn’t help out around the house. I saw how upset my mom would get about this and how hard she’d work to pick up after all the kids, plus dad, while he sat on the couch eating and watching TV, only moving to lift his feet while she vacuumed underneath them. I looked for the total opposite in my spouse. I love and respect my father as a father, not as the husband to my mother (though they did split up and are back together now, and dad has changed for the better in many ways to save the relationship).

I am also pretty far off from my mother. She was a home maker, didn’t go to college, married right out of high school and had kids right away. I’m career focused, working my way through school to a Masters, and married late in life, and don’t have any kids yet (though we are trying). I’m the total opposite of my mom, and I’m certainly not turning in to her.

The primary trait that I looked for in a husband is the willingness to view the relationship as a work in progress and to keep trying, understanding that there will be good years and bad years. It took us seven or eight years to get to the point of marriage, and through that time we both worked on understanding each other. If we both didn’t have that drive to see our relationship flourish, we wouldn’t be married now.

I imagine it’s a lot like having a kid. I doggedly endured the first month of my daughter’s life. She was perfectly normal and everything went fairly well, it was just hard and hard work and I hated feeding her and washing bottles and waking up several times in the night to feed her, and there was very little rewarding about it to me until she started smiling at two months or so. Even then there were only flashes of rewards, like when she smiled, and a lot of drudgery. ( Now that she’s 18 months, the reward-to-drudgery ratio is a lot higher. But I’m still never going to enjoy changing diapers.)

My best friend had that bond immediately with her baby, and she found that first month very rewarding, even the parts that were awfully hard work.

(My marriage is more the Manda JO kind, and I thought her analogy was very apt for our relationship, but I can see how it could be different for different conditions.)