Woah, woah…back up there a minute. Cite?
I’m back!
braaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnns
Pffft. Amateurs, needing excuses.
Fucking Designated Hitter rule is ruining baseball. COMPLETELY EXCISING THE POINT OF THE GAME, I TELLS YA!
That’s awesome and makes me want to…cry a little.
People, these are some really nice examples - and some of them should go in Skald the Rhymer started that lead to this one - but the GD thread shows there is no reasoning with ZPG Zealot on this topic. It’s not worth your time.
Skald, ZPG Zealot has a point. The world doesn’t move to the beat of just one drum. And what might be right for you, may not be right for some.
So the fuck what? It’s one thing to have an opinion, and to decide to talk about it. It’s another thing to come to a thread asking for adopted parent’s stories and tell them that they don’t deserve to be called parents.
And, no, it can’t be just to have responded on topic, as she doesn’t consider herself a parent, so she had absolutely no justification for posting in that thread.
I hate that we define a troll as having to not believe what they say. Because ZPGZ attempted to hijack that thread specifically to get a rise out of the people disagrees with, or rather, based on her posting style, actively hates. Outside the pit, that should be considered trolling, and at the very least be a warnable offense.
It sure takes different strokes, that’s for sure.
So that whooshing sound is so far over your head, it’s like you’re Gary Coleman or something. 
Enderw24 is quoting the Different Strokes song.
For all those who weren’t familiar with her: Do you now understand?
Kinda makes you glad she’s NOT a parent
And for anyone else unfamiliar with ZPG’s other trick, she’s a self described fortune teller, and actually makes money from it. So at best she’s deluded and ignorant, at worst (and far more likely) she’s a thief who steals from people dumb enough to believe in fortune tellers.
Let’s just say there are some genes not worth passing on.
ZPG Zealot’s philosophy is a mystery to me. I understand that due to different cultures and experiences, people might have different ideas about the world than I do. That’s perfectly fair. But hers is so convoluted and contradictory that it makes no sense at all.
For instance, to her, blood relations are the only important relations, and people not related by blood but rather through legal ties are not to be considered relatives at all. As an example, most of us, I think, would call the person married to our parent’s sibling “aunt” or “uncle.” That is, my dad’s sister and her husband are my “aunt and uncle,” and I call them “Aunt Sue” and “Uncle Bob.” She would consider the spouse NOT a relation of hers, and refer to that person as her “Aunt’s Husband,” always making it clear when the relation is a legal one and not a blood one.
OK, that all seems a little odd to me, but whatever floats her boat. It’s her family, not mine. But the thing that doesn’t jibe with it is that she also is very adamant on her view that there exists a “cult of the child” in this country, and that people value babies more than they do grown adults. But wouldn’t it make sense, if blood was of the highest value, that it would be right to value your own baby over the life of a random adult?
I wish very much that she would explain how that is supposed to be consistent in any way.
When was that rule adopted?
Regards,
Shodan
A couple things I should have mentioned to our esteemed ZPG regarding the “evils” of adoption and “stealing” babies.
- The birth mother had 4, count them, 4 children taken away from her and adopted by non-family members before she got pregnant with our daughter. Why were they taken? Because she and her first two children moved back in with the step-father that had sexually abused her as a kid. He turned his attentions on her children and she did nothing to stop it. Then when she had the next two kids, she abandoned them at a friend’s house and ran off with a man (not her husband). After she had our daughter she told a nurse at the clinic where she picked up her meds that she kept imagining putting bleach in the baby’s bottle.
She has borderline personality disorder and is emotionally about 12 years old. She loves the attention she gets when she is pregnant and the way people treat her with a baby but doesn’t know how to parent. She was late for a parental visitation because she stopped to give a guy a blowjob for $5. As part of the psych evaluations she had to undergo for her court ordered parenting classes the psychiatrist said she wasn’t capable of caring for a houseplant (those are the exact words). Did the state “steal” the children from a caring, nurturing environment or did they rescue them from years of neglect, abuse, harm and potential injury?
By the way, the birth mother has since gone on to have another child and skipped out of Illinois so the baby couldn’t be taken from her. She convinced the new state that she could take care of the baby because she now has a support structure. She is living with her 70 year old disabled mother (the abusive step-father is dead, thank god) and they are both receiving Social Security disability checks, food stamps and their church drives them to medical visits. We are still in touch with her and saw pictures of the kid. He’s always a mess, clothes are ripped and dirty, the house looks like something from Hoarders. Plus, in every picture, he has bruises. And there’s not a fucking thing I can do about it.
- When I was young and stupid, I got a girl pregnant. She wanted nothing to do with me but wanted to keep the baby. After he was born, I sent money every payday until my letters started getting returned unopened. Eventually she contacted me to say that she was getting married and he wanted to adopt the boy. She asked me to sign away my parental rights.
I had only seen a single picture of the boy and had no involvement in his life. I knew that she had found someone who loved her and loved this child who was not biologically his but wanted to be part of his life forever. I signed away my rights.
Was it cruel and heartless for this man to want to raise a stranger’s baby? Was he doing this for some nefarious reason? Not on your life. A man that I never met loved a woman that I once loved and is raising the child that I am the father of. I am not his dad, just the father, nothing more than a sperm donor.
I have never attempted to make contact with him although I did find a picture of him through Facebook. He does sort of look like me and appears to be happy and successful.
ZPG, I truly feel bad for you that you have such a jaded and distorted view of what love is. To open your heart to someone with no genetic connection and want to graft them into your life is amazing. I hope that someday you find some non-family member who loves you for who you are and lets you in. Maybe you will do the same to them.
I saw what you did there, Shodan.
Andy, the point is I WAS NOT HIS PARENT. I spent a lot of time first explaining; then yelling this point at various teachers and school guidance counselors who could not understand the principle that family means anything other than a mother and father. I was his older sister (actually technically half-sister, we did not have the same mother) and I became his Guardian which is a perfectly noble title for my role.
Actually, I think the situations you have described make a good case that some people should be sterilized. And in the first case there is also the argument that the trainwreck of the mother’s life could have been prevented by proper intervention into her family life while she was a child. Or even now. There is no reason some social agencies shouldn’t be trying harder to help her overcome her problems rather than just trying to harvst babies from her.
People use the verb “to parent” differently from the way you use it. They don’t mean any offense by it, it’s merely a way to describe what your role was in the kids’ life.