ZPG Zealot,
I’ve asked you several questions. Are you capable of answering them, or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass?
ZPG, are you my mom? I’m gonna ask you, okay? And you say yes, okay? ZPG, are you my mom?
Erm, ZPG… perhaps proper intervention could have helped when she was a child. In some other timeline maybe she’s a perfectly good mother. But in this world, she did not get that intervention. Right NOW she is a mess who can’t take care of a houseplant. Like wise, she wasn’t sterilized. She already had the kids. There probably isn’t much even a determined social worker could do to make her fit to be a mother. Unless you’ve got a time machine in your garage, you have to work with the situation as it is NOW.
Exactly. It’s like the phrase “He labored in the field.” He may not be a laborer, though. If you’re in a union doing a union job there are specific classifications for who is a laborer and who might be, say, a carpenter or an electrician or a welder. You do not want to get those classifications mixed up on any official form. They’re completely separate.
Yet it’s perfectly acceptable to say “He labored in the field.” Because “labored” and “laborer” are two separate words with two distinct meanings.
Likewise, being a “parent” and “parenting” are two separate words with two distinct meanings.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am out of death traps.
And the situation NOW seems to be people are quite comfortable using this woman to make babies for adoption rather than give her the extensive, inpatient, and yeah, probably expensive mental health care she needs to break this cycle. You know, adopters are always quick to point out how “unselfishly” they have spent money to obtain babies, but the truth is if they were actually concerned about these women and their children they would demand the government provide the proper safety net for vulnerable people and donate some of their own cash and time to the effort.
They do?
They do!
I momentarily read this as “Hitler,” and wondered if my ignorance of sports ran even deeper than I thought…
Dear Contrapuntal, any cop will tell you the first question in a child murder is “Where were the parents and what were they doing?” A quick article to peruse Psychiatry Online, Friedman lists parents as the responsible party in 61% of all murders of children under the age of 5. The whole premise of modern adoption is based on the idea of unspoken, but it’s definitely there of not giving a damn about children unless some individual gets to claim those children as their children, their “property”. Recently I had a woman tell me how she made the unselfish sacrifice of spending tens of thousands of dollars to adopt a baby from the former Yugoslavia. I have lived in former Yugoslavia. I know what conditions are like there. In the hands of an honest charity, and there are some very good , honest charities working there that money would have supported dozens if not a hundred children. Of course, Mrs. Infertile wouldn’t get a baby to pretend that her uterus wasn’t a dried up sack.
I know this is useless, but I have not had the privilege of attempting reason with you.
Based on your quoted statement, are you suggesting that most people who care for adopted children lie and pretend as if they’d had those children by natural birth?
These are the questions I asked :
Where has **Skald **claimed that “that only qualif*er for raising a child is calling yourself a parent.”?
Where has he claimed that “what we (caregivers) have done is somehow less because we don’t care to have an illogical title applied to us.”?
Who tells a vulnerable child that “the only way you will help them survive is if they deny their history and call you, mommy or daddy.”?
And which of these questions did your post which I just quoted answer?
I’ve noticed enough that do. I use to think it was merely pathetic. Now it seems rather evil.
There is no attempting rational argument with ZPGZ. She has stated in other threads that orphans should be raised in orphanages, not be adopted into families. And in some cases, would be better off dead than be adopted. And that in any family with adopted children, she and all others should be apprised of this so that she can judge why the kids are not up to par; otherwise the adoptive parents are living a lie to the world. And all adoptive parents are selfish baby snatchers. If you make a valid point, she will ignore it and go off on another poorly punctuated rant. She simply cannot fathom how any adoption can take place outside of snatching Roma babies.
Note of course that if you read the closed GD thread, you find thatZPG’s definition of “pretending as if they’d had those children by natural birth” is “People who don’t loudly and continuously inform the child and everyone they come in contact with that the child is adopted.” Because you can’t swim in the same pool as adopted children or you’ll go to hell or something like that.
Bahh…
Everybody knows heirloom babies taste so much better.
Dear ZPG Zealot, any cop will tell you that the first question asked in a beastiality case is “where’s the guy with a subscription to Cat Fancy and what was he doing?” A quick article to preuse Occam's razor - Wikipedia
The first question cops ask when there’s a murder of a married person is “Where is the spouse and what were they doing?” So, we should ban marriage, too dangerous.
The first question cops ask when there’s a workplace homicide is “Who got fired recently and have they been seen in the building?” So, we should ban firing people, too dangerous.
On the other hand, in Bulgaria the only children generally available for international adoption at the time we adopted were Roma, and they were allowed out of the country as infants rather than the much later age at which “ethnic Bulgarians” were released. It was explained to us that Roma children would never be adopted by ethnic Bulgarians.
Me too! I love the idea of baseball having a Designated Hitler Rule. I might watch it if it did.
Got it. Letting birth parents raise their own kids is dangerous. We should encourage adoption as much as possible so that responsible guardians will take care of kids instead. Thanks for the info!