A rant to the 'other' grandmother.

This would be an improvement.

ZPG Zealot – well said! I’d offer to shake your hand, but … :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe this is the daughter’s way of paying her mother back for the sacrifices the mother made during her childhood. While my own mother was a selfish bitch who made my childhood a living hell, I have always been willing to provide for her monetarily (though I will not have anything more to do with her) because it is a duty and responsibility owed.

Perhaps your mother was one of those people who didn’t like children either.

ZPG, you like to kill babies, so shut the fuck up.

…Fuck it, I can’t do the rest. Just go away. You have nothing to offer.

Apparently she is by now. kambuckta says other grandma is living five minutes away, so she’s not living there anymore.

Can you blame her?

The realization that some people do not worship babies is always shocking to breeders. Civilization was created by adults not babies.

The other grandmother is, by definition, a breeder.

All adults were once babies. Some were raised right. Some, alas, were not.

Thank you for rising out of the primordial ooze to rejoin us and contribute, my Troll Queen.

I misread the OP. It looks like DIL owns the house her mother lives in, so mea culpa.

And the adults sprang fully formed from the mud of the Nile.

Man, you continue to impress with your stupidity. Your asshole schtick is consistent, I’ll give you that.

But becoming adults, not staying babies is what created human civilization. Breeder is usually reserved in childfree circles for those adults who view spewing babies (without any concept of responsibly raising them) as the end all and be all of human existence.

Adults are raised by other responsible adults who know not to take on the burden of children without an adequate support net. Expecting relatives to provide free child care when living in a Western style nuclear family is not responsible.

How do you know that she didn’t? The mother strikes me as the kind to withdraw from an offer of help because she was “insulted” (angry about losing her free ride).

So tell me, how do babies avoid growing into adults?

Aren’t close relatives, particularly grandparents, part of an adequate support net?

Damn, ZPG Zealot, you’re some fucking piece of work.

But the mom in the OP had an adequate support net. She was managing. Had no grandmother come over, she would have been fine–just miserable. No one would have died, no irreparable harm would have been done. She didn’t require help. She didn’t even ask for it. It was just appreciated when it came.

The OP is upset that a mother has ignored her daughter’s suffering even when she had the means to help.

And…kambuckta’s vent thread goes all to hell.

Gather 'round and marvel at the full-grown child, railing against actual children for having the audacity to exist.

It ain’t a party till ZPG shows up spewing garbage! Now we has ourselves a Pit thread related to children.

Physical maturity is not the same as mental and emotionally maturity. I lot of people grow up physicially to the point where they can biologically produce a baby, but lack the mental maturity to understand that they have to be responsible.

Close relatives, particularly grandparents, can be part of an adequate support net, if they have agreed to be that support network ahead of time. Assuming they are going to be the support network is wrong however. It’s the difference between volunteering and being conscripted.

If the offer of a free house was made in exchange for help with child care the grandmother damn well should feel insulted and withdraw any offer for help. The daughter strikes me as the type of new mother that thinks everyone should tailor their lives to supporting her reproductive choices.