A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani}

I don’t do debt collection, but when you do the bar course, they drill the basics into you. That’s bread and butter for a lot of firms.

I look forward to these proceeds, to put it mildly. Thank you.

Andrew Giuliani had to do the “Rudy Giuliani Show” podcast on WABCradio today. We were assured Rudy would be back within a week… or so.

His kids and ex wives must be thrilled.

As a lawyer, I have to say—I hate doing collections. They are soul-sucking things that I had to learn to do as an articling student. And I did them, over and over and over, because the senior partners said I had to, and they let me do little else. Bread and butter indeed; collections are most definitely not why I got into law. I hated them. But I learned them.

I don’t practice in the US, but I imagine that things are much the same: get a judgment, which allows you to get a writ, which allows you to move against bank accounts and salary. It also allows you to get a civil enforcement agency to move against—that is, seize—physical assets (real property and chattels, such as cars).

And if the debt isn’t satisfied; well, as long as you renew the writ (necessary every two years in my jurisdiction), you can keep chasing the amount owing. The judgment lasts for ten years, renewable for another ten (again, in my jurisdiction). And as long as you have a live judgment, you can get a writ.

There are exception allowances for the losing debtor to keep some things, mainly so the debtor can at least keep going on. And obligations to ex-wives and kids must continue to be fulfilled.

The plaintiff’s lawyers and bailiffs will always be alert to fraudulent preferences, so Rudy better govern himself accordingly. Rudy, you’ll have to give them everything you have now (allowing for exceptions), and realize that whatever you make for the next twenty years, even from a lemonade stand, that a portion of that will go to satisfy the judgment.

Like I said, I am a lawyer, but I am not an American one. Things may be different in Rudy’s jurisdiction. But I am sure that they are no less harsh than in mine. He’s in a world of hurt, if he’s not already there.

Does the fact that this news warms my heart make me a bad person? Also, this is civil, so a Trump president wouldn’t be able to do anything, right?

That’s a question for an American lawyer. I wouldn’t have thought do, but it is a decision of the federal courts. Does the prez have any power there?

Presidential pardon power is only for federal criminal offenses. It does not extend to civil cases.

Danke. I didn’t think so, but wanted to check. Of course, Trump could pay all of these damages, but that seems….unlikely.

Trump didn’t kick in for Rudy’s legal bills. No way he’ll pay the judgment.

Rudy is 79. I don’t think he’s got 20 years of income producing years ahead of him.

CBS article suggests his net worth is under $50 million.

Oh no. How sad. Anyway, how about them Eagles?

And his cousins!

(Oh wait…same group)

It’s subject to appeal, of course. Whether he has any reasonable chance of reducing the award? I dunno. See comments earlier on from @Procrustus, who practices in the federal courts.

Well of course - he used to live in a town named for the famous cousin-marrier, Shelbyville Manhattan

The horrible fucking thing is that if Trump can regain office then little rules like that could become irrelevent.

Do we know if Rudy still has outstanding debts owed to his exes? A thorough trawl through his assets by a serious player for the plaintiffs here could presumably result in the exes getting paid as well.

You are not the only one.

mmm

Doesn’t he have to put up a bond in order to appeal?