A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

That is truly chilling. Scary stuff!

Good. That fills me with joy.

Good god! What a fucking joke of a “news reporter”. This is yet another example of how Fox viewers are the biggest idiots on the planet.

I don’t think you can gauge Trump’s perspective using standards that apply to ordinary politicians (or even ordinary people).

There are things that an ordinary politician would only do if they were “terrified” that Trump would do if he was piqued.

Drat. I was really hoping for “terrified”. Oh, well…

Possibly. Not that this should convince anyone, but the most visible feeling emanating from Trump IMO is fear, consistently, and it’s getting worse. Fear and maybe exhaustion.

I don’t think so. I think it’s anger and frustration, and this is also what’s being reported by media articles citing his close associates.

I think even if Trump was guilty of everything he’s being accused of, it’s unlikely he would be “terrified”. Over the course of his long career he’s done a lot and been through a lot, and it all ended up him having a lot of money and fame and getting elected president - he made it through it all. And it’s not like he has this great understanding of the political and legal process so that he can accurately assess the current level of danger he might be in (or much inclination to listen to experts who might advise him). From his perspective this is just another scandal that his lawyers and PR people (those terms apparently encompassing all sorts of elected and appointed government officials, in his mind) need to work out so that he can go back to Making America Great Again and basking in the much-deserved adulation of his many fans.

I have a bad feeling that overall incompetency on the part of Trump’s coterie will mean no criminal acts were committed. They were too stupid to commit treason. Jared’s meeting with Russians to see if they had dirt on Hillary really amounted to nothing. The Russian contact was just using that line to lure them into talks to ease trade sanctions.

Trump will continue to push the envelope and do things nobody else dared to do, because his bull-in-china-shop approach makes him famous, and that’s what he wants. He doesn’t see “implications of impropriety” because that’s too many syllables. His staff knows he’s an idiot, but they can’t reign him in. He’s president, which means he considers himself bulletproof. He got elected, so he did everything right. Everybody else assumes a president must have certain qualifications, and Trump showed all he had to do was appeal to the LCDs and act tough. He technically didn’t violate any rules worth enforcing. His goal is to remove the restrictions that make him less rich and get away with it while the bureaucracy takes years to decide what to do about it. He’s taking issues important to Democrats and using them as leverage to build his vanity project. The only way to curb his tantrums is to make him look good, which is the path of least resistance. The Repubs won’t do anything because they fear losing their seats, so they settle for backing him along party lines until midterm elections determine if they’re still in power. The damage Trump is doing to the US will take generations to recover from.

Remember when the FBI used to be feared? Not the case anymore. Trump has no shame to exploit. He’s beat the system.

Nixon also thought likewise.

I don’t know, the whole red line thing about his and his family’s finances seemed to be precisely due to fear of what would be uncovered if the investigation turned that way. I don’t think anger and frustration alone explain that one otherwise why even make the comment in public? It would be like cops coming to your house with a warrant and you saying to them ok, but whatever you do, do not look under the floorboards in my closet. It’s fear of them finding what he doesn’t want them to, not anger and frustration that they are hindering his MAGA.

I was leaning towards agreement with know’d overall assessment right up until this last part. The Federal legal and LE team is a very large, diversified and literally awesome organization, strictly in terms of it’s capabilities, reach and influence. Whether or not the head honcho’s internal power struggles play out in one or another team’s favor, there is still much to settle WRT the FBI/DOJ and anyone’s real or imagined standing in the criminal law realm.

You are saying that he is too stupid to be afraid?

Was that a Freudian slip?

I have to add what I said before, I do not think that the investigation will lead to impeachment, but the results are going to be more in tune with what many past investigations to people in power did, it removed the elements that would allow corruption to grow and attach themselves to position of power.

Once people like Manafort and Flynn are out, a lot of the desired outcomes took place already. Incompetent, corrupt and even vile people are out of his administration. While I do see people like Trump claiming victory if nothing much comes at him as a result of all that will be just his naiveté or assholism talking. He will still be seen by reasonable people as an incompetent git that continues to be all thumbs on identifying who is a good and capable man or woman to run the government.

Another result has been to make independents and even moderate republicans to sound the alarm, only to see most Republican congress critters to cover for the certified incompetent. I can see the loss of a lot of power by the Republicans on 2018 thanks to their asinine three monkey act.

That’s pretty much what it boils down to, yes.

(Which is not to say he’s guilty of everything he’s being accused of - only that even if he were it’s unlikely that he would be “terrified”, because he’s indeed “too stupid to be afraid”.)

I think the story of Trump, and the lesson to us all: this is what happens when you assume that business savvy translates into governing ability. Trump thought he could make all his problems go away the same he always has: demand personal loyalty, throw lawyers at the problem, make threats and bully people into submission. That may fly in the real estate world, but in government it can (and IMHO, did) amount to obstruction of justice.

It depends on the person.

I don’t think Trump ever had all this “business savvy” to begin with. I would guess he’s decently informed about and qualified for most of the businesses he runs, but that’s because he’s been running these businesses forever and has enormous experience, and learned the ropes when he wasn’t nearly as arrogant as he is today and was able to learn new things. But that’s not the same thing as being some sort of unique genius who has any supreme talents to transfer. And when you add in the refusal to accept that he has much to learn about government and policy, what you get is a guy who is OK at business and unqualified for government and not predisposed to improve.

Which is before you even get to his temperament.

But that’s not to say that someone who has demonstrated genuine leadership ability in business (or elsewhere) and the capacity to learn, and a mature temperament - a “stable genius”, one might say - wouldn’t be a good candidate.

The problem with trump is that he may make people think that business savvy can not translate into governing ability. He is a poor example as he utterly lacks actual business savvy.

I am certainly not saying that they are the same, or that being good at one makes one good at the other, but being a small business owner, I spend alot of time problem solving and doing lots of critical thinking of weighing different options and determining benefits and consequences of my decisions. Obviously the country is a bit bigger, but it is a similar skillset.

It would also be easier. I have to research everything on my own to get the information to make a decision, then I have to do the work myself to implement it. Being president would be easy. Other people compile information for me, then other people carry out my decisions.

I think it would be very interesting to have an actual small business owner run for president, or really, just see a greater representation of them in congress. They repeat the mantra, “Small business is the backbone of the economy”, but I don’t know if any of them actually know what small businesses need.

Small business owners are far too busy running their businesses to run for office.

Small business owners tend to be small picture types, used to a hands-on management style. A president needs to be a big picture guy with an understanding of policy and used to a lot of delegating. Very different skillset.

Small business owners are OK in politics for positions like City Council, where they can get on the case of the public works people about why such-and-such neighborhood was neglected in the latest snow plowing, and debate whether the tax assessor is doing a good job. POTUS is something else entirely.