A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

Jared may be about to learn that blood is thicker than water.

I would accept Mueller’s finding on collusion. I find it highly unlikely that with all the real smoke there is no fire, but I would accept Mueller’s finding.

In that vein, I would also accept Mueller’s finding if there are serious financial crimes associated with Trump and/or obstruction that comes out related to the collusion investigation.

That pic should be this administration’s version of “The Loneliest Job.” It just…says so much.

And however much I would love to have coined the specific term, it actually came from your side of the pond. I can’t find any reference to it offhand, but it was in response to Trump’s Brexit Gaffe™: one of the posts/tweets ran something very much like “Scotland voted against Brexit, you CFSG!”

no matter, you are doing your bit to get it to a wider audience.

And of course I remember now that David Quantick is a collaborator of Armando Iannucci, Comedy hero of mine and someone with a ear for the poetic and lyrical phrase and responsible my user-name amongst many other bits of wonderful nonsense.

We already have evidence of collusion between the Russians and the Trump Campaign. No better evidence is coming, and we shouldn’t need any better evidence.

The charges brought against Manafort are a sign of weakness. Mueller must have told Manafort that if he didn’t talk, then he would prosecute Manafort for as much as he could. I think Manafort told Mueller to do his worst, and that is what we are now seeing.

Nope; just a sign that the statute of limitations clock was running out on those specific charges.

Just a side note, but it occurs to me that between him and the former Subway spokesman, “Jared” is probably not going to be a very common name in the next generation.

I would have to think it’s unlikely that Mueller will conclusively find that there was no collusion. The most he can find is that there’s no evidence of it. So my guess is that most partisans will remain in their original positions, either continuing to think there’s no collusion or thinking that Mueller failed to uncover and/or appreciate the real evidence.

But the key question would be what counts as evidence. As you can see from the post three above this one, some people think there is already evidence of collusion, and I imagine Mueller will uncover more “evidence” of that sort. So what happens if Mueller decides that’s not evidence, or at least not prosecution-worthy evidence? Many anti-Trump who have already made up their minds will strongly disagree with him about that, and it would be obvious to many such people that Mueller is some sort of stooge who caved to Right Wing pressure or allegiance, or something similar.

That’s my prediction, anyway, in the event that he doesn’t prosecute for collusion.

The key question is not what counts as evidence, but what counts as collusion. Let’s not pretend we don’t have evidence.

That’s… not really how this works. What’s more likely is that Manafort was low hanging fruit. He was under investigation long before Mueller was appointed, so this is just Mueller finishing up the job and bringing Manafort’s case into the larger Russia investigation which is the logical place for it.

They would have been sniffing him out to see if he acted like he’d be cooperative during the investigation, but he clearly wasn’t. He was lying and hiding evidence. There’s no reason to think they would have offered him any kind of deal already.

The remarkably unqualified nominee to lead the USDA has withdrawn his name. Not because he’s remarkably unqualified, but because (surprise, surprise) he happens to be yet another Trump affiliate caught up in Russian collusion.

And in not necessarily related, but possibly related news, Robert Mercer, who is a central figure at Cambridge Analytica, is stepping down from his hedge fund and selling his stake in Breitbart.

Oh please. That’s a right wing move, as evidenced by the fact that they’re currently jumping up and down trying to paint him as a partisan hack in bed with the democrats as we speak.

The right likes to project their own weird shit on the left, but they don’t understand that not everyone looks at everything with the same partisan blinders that they do. If they did, the left would already be up in arms about Mueller. He is, after all, a Republican.

There are two ways I wouldn’t accept Mueller’s work.

  1. if he starts having lunch with David Nunes or playing golf with Rudy Giuliani, or otherwise starts hanging out with some other Trump lackey. This is extremely unlikely but I’m continually surprised how many people throw their credibility away for Trump.

  2. Someone stops him. Congress could pull his funding tomorrow and say “Good job, it was Manafort all along. Case closed.” In fact, that’s more or less what the right is trying to do right fucking now! And you can’t tell me that the right wing wouldn’t accept that 100%.

The right doesn’t even accept the outcome of what little has happened already. They don’t even accept the existence of the investigation, and it’s funny to see someone judge the left for the possibility that they might act like the right in the future.

This.

F-P’s comment is a complete fucking joke. The right is up in arms about the investigation, and is denying that it should even be taking place. Then we hear this bullshit of “Oh ya, well in a hypothetical future, you people on the left will probably do this hypothetical thing. Ha ha, see how terrible the left is!”

Jesus. Any more projection and he’ll be showing movies out of his ass.

When Mueller was first appointed the left was so happy to get an independent counsel altogether, and especially one with a straight-laced reputation, that they overlooked his being a Republican. And since he began pretty quickly with a hard charging investigation, they continue to be pleased.

But many on the left are completely confident that this will result in a collusion indictment, and if that doesn’t happen they’ll be looking for reasons why. The possibility that there was no collusion having been ruled out, that will leave Mueller holding the bag.

Thanks for keeping us up to date on all the news from the left. It’s so hard to keep up.

My pleasure.

But just remember, if Mueller doesn’t indict for collusion you need to come up with a lot of clever quips at his expense. (Maybe you should start preparing now.)

Indict who specifically? Maybe you could provide a list of possible outcomes and the correct reaction people on the left should have for each? Otherwise people may not follow the script.

No, that’s not necessary. They’ll follow the script just by doing what comes naturally to them.

Nailed it.