You do realize you’re only making yourself look like an idiot, right?
“Lefties are bad because of what I think they will do in the future” is hardly an argument that anyone will take seriously.
You have to admit it’s a fun game, though. “If Trump **is **indicted for collusion, Trump supporters will riot in the streets and will violently attack minorities and anyone perceived to be a Democrat. Because that’s what comes naturally to them.”
Thus have I proven that right-wingers are worse than left-wingers, based on a comparison of their hypothetical responses to potential future events.
To be fair, he’ll probably be able to twist something out of context or find some random blogger whose reaction is close to his claim and point to that as proof regardless of what the majority of people say and do.
The idea that it was intended as proof of anything was invented by EP and you, for your own purposes. It was not implied in anything I’ve written.
Absolutely. If a Republican candidate for senator says something outrageous like all homosexuals should be put in prison because they are practicing bestiality and offending his Holy God, that’s OK Because there is probably a leftie blogger somewhere typing something equally as offensive in his basement.
It’s like they think False Equivalence is a valid argument.
It was more than implied. It was the entire premise, full stop. “Look at what the lefties will do in my imaginary future”. That’s it.
So you had no point and were just making a bunch of random noise and no one should pay attention? Good to know.
There is already one guilty plea in which a dude admits to a fuck ton of collusion.
Well, that one doesn’t count, because everyone has forgotten who he is.
We should be able to agree that “collusion” is the wrong word for what Mueller is investigating. Collusion is when you cooperate with someone you’re supposed to be competing with. That’s not the relationship between a Presidential campaign and a hostile foreign power.
What people want investigated was the Trump campaign’s role in Russia’s interference with the US election. They want to know what campaign leadership knew and when they knew it. They want to know if members of the campaign helped Russia use it’s stolen emails or helped them target propaganda. They want to know if the campaign reported what it knew about Russian activities to appropriate authorities.
“Collusion” is a kind of unicorn that certain people will continue to define upward. It might well have started at foreknowledge of Russia’s plans or failure to inform the FBI about the email hacking, say. But as those things are proven, the term will be narrowed and narrowed. So we’d be better off talking about what Mueller has succeeded and not succeeded at in terms of these actual concrete issues and not this vague misused term.
He hasn’t been forgotten. No one can pronounce his name.
ISTM that the opposite is true, and that as the likelihood of genuine collusion becomes more remote, the term is being revised downward.
The initial suspicion was that the Trump campaign had actively assisted the Russians in their efforts. The notion that “knew and failed to inform” is collusion seems tailored to the GP plea stipulation.
Did Papadopoulos admit to “collusion”? My understanding is that he pled guilty to lying to the FBI, but I may have not read everything about his guilty plea.
and he’s a liar!
His guilty plea was all about lying to the FBI.
It would appear from what I’ve read, that not only is setting up - and having - meetings with Russians not “collusion” but it’s not necessarily illegal altogether. I believe further that campaign meetings with foreign leaders are not uncommon.
The key issue is what’s discussed at those meetings, which may or may not be collusion (or otherwise illegal, e.g. Logan Act violations). But it sounds like the GP-proposed meetings never got far enough for that.
Here is the statement of the offense.
He did plead guilty to lying to the FBI. It’s the things he lied about, including at least one ‘extensive talk’ with the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, that are collusion.
Can you quote the part where it says he pled guilty to collusion? I’m not seeing it.
He’s also guilty of being an asshole sleazebag who would sell his own country down the river.
But you wont’ see that on the charge sheet either.
There is no part where he pled guilty to collusion. Is that a real question? There’s no crime called collusion so it’s not a thing one can plead guilty to.
He did, in fact, admit to collusion as part of his pleading guilty to lying to the FBI.
Since Trump was far from being elected at that point, what would be the purpose of any meetings with any world leader? Especially on the sly.