A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

Then there’s the point of disagreement: what you see as “a bit of verbalization,” I’ve seen as “the near constant, primary message.” That’s where some of the frustration from other posters comes from.

Prove him wrong.

I’m pretty sure he’d love to be wrong here. I know I would.

Perhaps. All I know is that you can count on that guy for the straight Putin line: ‘democracy is a weak and fatally-flawed system,’ ‘Western nations will inevitably fall,’ ‘all nations work to undermine others–that’s modern life,’ etc. etc.

I’m not saying the guy gets a paycheck. I’m just saying that he’s pretty reliable in reflecting the message ol’ Vlad wants promulgated.

I have to repeat: “So what?”

WHO CARES?

Put him on your ignore list if you’re tired of what he says. Or at the very least, don’t read his posts. I do not see what you hope to accomplish with your ranting.

Now I’m going to stop ranting at you. :wink:

Because it’s extremely harmful to the cause. A message of hopelessness, despair, and defeat inspires people to stop trying. It’s worse than Trumpeters taunting (as that just makes us angry and ready to fight) and no one has a problem when we tell them not to do that.

And the goal of saying something about it is to get the poster to stop doing that and start trying to figure out ways to help. Not repeatedly telling posters that their hope is stupid to have any hope and they might as well give up.

I honestly don’t get why anyone supports that. Why would you support someone preaching gloom and doom? I get being sympathetic, as I worry that they have depression, and I don’t want to make things worse. But that’s different from condoning their posts.

We have to remain strong, and keep on fighting, and not give up. If a poster is telling people it is pointless, of course I’m going to try and stop them. (And, yes, put them on ignore because they probably won’t listen. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t try.)

I’ve had hope for the past 15-20 years that this country would see how badly the Republican party was trying to screw them over, and yet the keep winning the majority of the elections. And they keep winning by nominating more outrageous candidates. I’m not concerned with America since 2015; my concern dates back to 1994. I had hope. I had optimism. My fellow Americans keep letting me down. That is why I say, it’s going to take a disaster to right the ship. Only when complacent Americans start connecting their voting behavior with the shit hole in which they live, will we begin to see some change.

So you do have some hope. Thanks for explaining. I’ll stop with the paralysis (I was starting to slip from frustration into despair), and get off my butt.

People of America, if D’asahi Downer hasn’t given up hope, we cannot either!
Who’s with me? By Grabthar’s Hammer, we shall fight on!

[shakes fist towards Washington]

Leaving aside whether that’s true altogether, when you see me making a big deal about HRC endangering national security via emails or servers or whatever, we can discuss that. As long as it’s just your imagination, then it’s irrelevant.

Sorry to disappoint you. I stand by everything I’ve posted to these threads and don’t believe there’s anything inconsistent with this latest post. Got anything otherwise, feel free to whip it out.

Lighten up, Francis. He said he agreed with you.
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That does nothing for me. If there’s one thing that doesn’t interest me, it’s whether guys like him agree with me.

But what does interest me is this constant effort to distort my position on these issues, as he did in his post. I don’t always comment on it, but every once in a while I do.

Fine.

Gimme back the cookie, then. Cookies are for closers.

I suspect that cookie is extremely high in transfats …

That’s bad.

It isn’t often that NPR makes me literally LOL, but it happened this morning: in a discussion as to whether or not Trump should submit to questioning by the Mueller investigation, National Review’s Jonah Goldberg said: “Rudy Giuliani talks about his client like he’s an escaped monkey from a cocaine study.”

I caught that too. I got a good chuckle out of it and I plan to steal it.

Was Goldberg referring to Trump or Giuliani? They both sound like escaped monkeys.

But it comes with sprinkles!

To clarify: “Rudy Giuliani talks about his client like he [Trump]'s an escaped monkey from a cocaine study.”

In other words: don’t let that gibbering idiot say anything under oath!

November 17, 1973, Richard Nixon: “I am not a crook!”

June 4, 2018, Donald J. Thump: “I have done nothing wrong!”

Yeah, right.

Nixon to David Frost: “When the President does it, that means it is not illegal.”

Not a precedent you’d want to lean on, Donnie and Rudy.