A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

I’ve been saying for months now, if I were Robert Mueller, I’d have offsite backup of EVERYTHING, and 5 minutes after I was fired, anyone standing outside the loading dock of the New York Times would hear the “beep beep beep” of a box truck with a giant “Read Me” sign painted on it being backed in.

I’d probably do the same thing if I found out the report was bottom-drawered.

CREW Discovers Previously Undisclosed Ethics Waiver for Solicitor General Noel Francisco

So, they’re definitely taking steps to provide for a route to fire Rod Rosenstein and dismantle the investigation or bottom-drawer the report

I saw this yesterday. It makes my blood boil to see such bald manipulation and disregard for our justice system. I have a hard time believing it will go unnoticed or unaddressed, especially if Dems make gains in Congress. This is Ethics 101, and I don’t understand how Noel Francisco just sacrifices a lifetime reputation for the likes of Donald Trump.

I’m not sure it is Rod Rosenstein who will go, although he might, but it will surprise me if Jeff Sessions is still AG on November 7th.

Mueller is aware of all this and I am sure has contingency plans in place.

For those who are so worried about the 17 million that has been spent on Mueller’s investigation to date, relax. He’s already paid us back.

As for his report staying out of public view… ssshhhhyyyeeeeaaahhhh, right. One way or another, the results of the Mueller investigation will become known to the public.

The investigation turned a profit, but don’t let that fact get in the way of your talking point here.

I’m pretty sure he was referring to the baseless and countless Benghazi investigations, and not ones that have resulted in indictments and guilty, and as you point out, financial penalties that offset the cost. Actual corruption by actual government officials.

Or he’s just dumb as a fucking rock. Not sure which.

No kiddin’ ! How many lawyers on that team x avg rate + expenses, travel, overtime. Daaaaaaang! :smack:

Somehow I can’t tell if the flavor of those words you just put in my mouth are troll or excrement-based.

About this, I am sure.

Did you whine about the Statr report costing 70 million in 90s dollars and went down multiple dead end routes?

Did you whine about the 60-100 million Trump will spend putting troops on the border for a non-existent ‘threat’ that is still months away so that he stoke his bases’s fearful hatred?

What’s up your butt?
I’m not whining about how much it costs. It’s money well spent, or rather as Aspenglow pointed out (which I did not know and am happy to hear) money well invested.
I’m “whining” (I would’ve used the term “ranting”) about the possibility of the report not seeing the light of day.
I get that there might be parts of the report that may fall under the umbrella of state secrets, and the congress may decide that there is no there there and choose not to act, but the conclusions and the recommendations should be public.

Yes, there were documents related to the JFK assassination that took more than 50 yrs to be revealed, but the main body of the Warren Commission Report was released. Same for the Starr report.

mc

I must revise this statement.

If Roger Stone sidles toward an international airport with a one-way ticket in hand before Tuesday night, we’ll see an arrest before the elections are finished.

So would I. Damn right I would. And another truck full of copies, just in case.

Sessions is gone. He blew it with Trump when he recused himself. Trump was furious. He expected Sessions to kill the Russia investigation AND take a fall for doing it. Meuller for sure has a contingency plan - as in sharing all his info with State investigators (where Trump pardons are useless). I’m sure Rosenstein has a plan too.

What might fuck it up is if Trump’s toady Kavanaugh gets to “decide” Gamble v. United States (dual sovereignty). If the dual-sovereignty doctrine were tossed, as Orrin Hatch wants (and Trump too), then Trump’s pardon could theoretically protect Manafort from state action. AND protect himself too.

It’s Russia and Obstruction all the way down.

Of course not. None of them did.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if state prosecutions precede federal prosecutions, any state convictions can’t get pardoned away by the America-hating Fuckstick, regardless of how Gamble is decided, right?

What I don’t understand.is why Trump hasn’t pardoned those who’ve made plea deals with Mueller.

Surely from Trump’s viewpoint any political fallout would be outweighed by the threat of them testifying or simply providing information against him or his family.

He didn’t want to be blamed for taking action that could impact the midterm results. Once the midterms are behind him, we’re going to see a more aggressive assault on the constitution.

Also, if I understand it correctly, if he pardons them and they accept the pardon, they can no longer plead the 5th when called to testify, nor can they refuse to testify.

I have a dumb legal question. Why can’t they still refuse to testify? Wouldn’t the consequences of such a refusal also be pardonable? Pardons all the way down?

I would think that if the Dems take Congress (likely, but still fingers crossed), then if Mueller is fired, they could start their own Congressional investigation and as a first step subpoena all FBI documents related to Muller’s investigation.

The Fifth Amendment protects you from providing testimony that would incriminate yourself. But if you’re pardoned, you are no longer in jeopardy of being incriminated for those crimes. So if you are subpoenaed to testify, you can’t plead the fifth for that reason. If you do, you can be held in contempt of Congress or contempt of court as the case may be.