Esprix, you started that thread. Unless CalifBoomer was right and you ARE in fact Otto’s alter-ego…
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
cough troll cough
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the Abrams’ bris was certainly memorable
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Oh, please, don’t you start. I was merely pointing out you’ve been mentioned as a troll in other threads, that’s all.
Keep it up and I’ll start referring to you as Marvinboomerdiamondrousseau…
No, you have more brains than that, although you use them for evil instead of good. 
Esprix
Y’all seem to have this thread confused with one in which I’m looking for feedback. I’m not. The thread was created expressly because I was told not to tell Daniel to go fuck himself in GD. Y’all are of course free to analyze it until you die, but it’s not that complicated.
To repeat, Daniel, fuck off you little twit.
danielsinthewolvesden:
Stand proud. Otto never gave me my own thread.
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That’s because you’re not worth your own thread. Even if SingleDad did indulge you once.
OK, fair is fair. Now for my counter-attack.
I’ve been called a “troll”. I respond by calling Otto, Yosemite & Opal; “sock-puppets”
Look at the evidence: They never seem to disagree, all their posts make the dittoheads sound like radical individualists. None will ever concede a point, even if they ask for a cite & one is given (even if the cite is from CECIL). All 3 respond to well reasoned debates by name calling and personal attacks.
AND, none of the 3 have ever been seen in person when any of the others are there. Ipso-facto: Sock-puppets. Which one is “lambchop”?
You’ve been here 2 weeks and posted less than 100 posts and you’re already making judgments on who are and are not sock puppets?
Get a fucking clue, dickhead. I’ve been here for almost 3 months and I’m quickly heading for a thousand posts and I’m not ready to make any kind of accusation like that. (Marvinboomerdiamond aside, as I’m well aware they are seperate people - I lumped them together to annoy them when I was accused of being a sock puppet.)
Esprix, who believes children should be seen and not heard
It’s important to remember that the truth of what you say and the validity of your opinions are entirely dependent on the length of time since you registered and the number of posts you have made.
I think we’re glossing over a point that was made earlier.
Daniel, what’s up with the misquoted handle? The biblical story of Daniel has him in the LION’s den. The wolves were busy raising Romulus and Remus over near present day Rome.
Aside: When Romulus had children, did that make his brother Uncle Remus?
Live a Lush Life
Da Chef
Uh, the OP was about vegetarians. We are all vegetarians. Color me amazed that we actually agree on most points.
I thought we all covered different issues. Otto, for instance, usually covered the dietary details of a vegan diet. I did not touch that - I am not a vegan - thought Otto was far more well-qualified.
In fact, I noticed you would not concede a few points yourself. You’d just ignore our responses, and start in on some new tactic trying to “prove” that veggies are hypocrites.
Concede what?!?! Your points were flimsy - grasping at straws. Otto usually took care of the more technical issues regarding vegans and nutrition. I didn’t need to. And I laugh at the concept of “well-reasoned”. Puleeeze.
Please copy and paste where I “name called”. I may have gotten frustrated at you, but I think the only “name” I called you was “kid”. If you are terribly traumatized by that, be sure to let me know. Please copy and paste any of my “personal attacks”. I understand that Otto got a little hot under the collar, as did Opal, but you claim that ALL of us “name called” and used “personal attacks”. Please copy and paste where I did so.
You know you are full of it on this one. Just trying to yank our chain. Won’t work, babe. (OOH! Oooh! I called you a “name”!!!)
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It’s important to remember that experience and familiarity eliminate ignorance and inaccurate generalizations. If I went over to LBMB and started spouting off over who was right and wrong, who was going to Heaven or Hell, who was insanely ugly or immensely beautiful IRL, or who was a sock puppet or a legitimate poster, without knowing or being familiar with any of those people, I’d pretty much look like an ass, wouldn’t I?
Esprix, who probably does anyway
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No, that’s just waaay too easy, even for me.
I think TomH’s point (and it this wasn’t his point, then it’s mine) was that no “experience” is needed to see who’s a troll/sockpuppet and who isn’t. Daniel laid out his criteria, and (regardless of whether or not he was right) those criteria had absolutely nothing to do with “experience.”
Incidentally, if I had made 900 posts in 3 months (a.k.a. 10 posts per day) to some Internet message board, I don’t think I’d go around trumpeting that fact too loudly.
And, Esprix, I wouldn’t be that proud of my 900 post count if 500 of them were on the same damned topic.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
Uh… I’ve been around for years. I’ve been mentioned in Cecil’s books. I’m pretty well recognised by the people who have been here for a long time. I don’t know much about Otto and yosemite, but I do know I ain’t them.
I did at one time, back on AOL, post a few messages as Lynn’s Yeast, but that was for a joke.
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From an actual catalog: “Disco balls create an enchanting, dazzling effect of light shafts, adding movement and glamour to any occasion”
the Abrams’ bris was certainly memorable
O p a l C a t
www.opalcat.com
Well, my initial reaction to this thread was that Otto was overreacting someone, and flaming them for no good reason.
Then I slogged my way through that wasteland of a topic, and have come to the conclusion that the statement(with regards to danielinthefreakingwolvesden)
sums up my feelings as well.
Good job Otto.
Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate mother-fucker.
Hmmm, siding with trolls, Rousseau? Well, birds of a feather and all that…
Let’s put it this way, Rousseau - having been here a while, do you think you ever would have mistakenly referred to the three mentioned as sock puppets of each other? By doing so, Daniel set himself up, big-time.
Have I mentioned lately that I love my job, where I have precious little to do each day, so I can while away my hours tormenting trolls… er, souls like you?
I’m more proud of my intelligent posts than you should be of yours; but then, I’m not The Almight God Rousseau, Expert Of Everything, Who Accepts No Higher Authority Than Himself.
Oh, and since this is the Pit? Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw. And have a nice day.
Esprix
Hey folks, lighten up. I found out what a “sockpuppet” was, only a coupla weeks ago. I was not really being serious, just trying to rile them up some more (that worked, anyway), although, if I can be called a "troll’ (ie some one who lurks @ only posts to annoy, then goes back lurking, HA), the “Me too” posts of my honorable opposition perhaps qualify for a slight “Shari Lewis” smell.
OK, I was only 66% right about the personal attacks, but OTTO made up for your share, OPALCAT.
You see, Ive always figured when you have reduced the other “team” (nearly singlehandedly) to aplolexy, sputtering in frustration & personal attacks, you’ve won.
The thing is, I did try to take the high road, with no personal attacks, I do beleive I answered all the points, and when I was wrong on minor points, I conceded. You 3 never conceded buttkis. Not when I quoted from source, not when I posted links, & not even when somebody else kindly posted the link to Cece’s column about eating the afterbirth.
I really don’t think how long you have been posting here indicates ones maturity. I AM sure calling someone you have never met, who politely debates with you, a “f*cking twit”, indicates the lack thereof.
Perhaps the “old wives” were right about fish being brain food…
You’re right - you did not use the “f” word, or become quite as annoyed and as vexed as Otto and Opal. Conceded. I assume you are conceding that I did not personally attack or “name call” you as well?
However, what exactly do you want us to concede on the veggie debate? I figure the argument you had with Otto over vegans, and vegan nutrition for children was between you two…I am not vegan, I am not the expert that Otto is. So I figure that I am out of that area of the debate, even though I don’t think anything needs to be “conceded” in that area anyway.
So…what else is there for us to concede? That vegetarians can eat fish? Not going to happen, any more than non-smokers will concede that someone who smokes a few cigs a day could consider themselves a NON smoker. Same priciple. (As I brought up on the thread.) Or do you want us to concede that vegetarians are hyprocrites because we inadvertantly eat little microscopic critters that are processed in our food? Well, maybe we’ll consider it, if you’ll concede that you are a “shit eater” because you inadvertantly consume rat feces in processed food. Same principle there too, as far as I can see. (By the way, what a ludicrous arguement to make…puleeeeeze.)
So truly, I don’t understand what you have expected us to “concede”. Please clarify.
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Yosemite: OK you’re right. It was Opalcat & not you that stooped to personal attacks. Concessions? Nobody would concede about B12, even after i quoted a source. NOTTHE called my comment on afterbirths “an urban legend”, even tho Cece himself backs me up.
You go on about that “shiteater” thing, tho. I have never stated that “as an omnivore I am opposed to the eating of any scat, to do so is morally wrong”, sure, I don’t wanna, but I know I’m gonna, so I just try to keep the amount down as much as I can, I’m not calling Vegans “meateaters” because they consume some meat “unwillingly”, I’m calling them hypocrites for the “holier than thou” attitude (and they fact they do eat animals, but won’t admit it).
And you keep bringing up that “smoker” thing,
like that is so black & white. Well, babe, ain’t nuthin black & white unless there is an accepted board or “pope” that can hand down definitions. OK, I’ll grant a few cigs aday is still a smoker-- BUT, how about the dude that lights up 1 cigar a year? or somebody who smokes those “herbal/nontobacco” things? Or a dope smoker? OR, more to my point, the amerind who takes a puff during ceremonies only? You would be hard pressed to call that native a “smoker”. See, it’s not so black & white is it?
Now, we “scientific” americans/europeans have decided that “animal” means a whole host of things, from worms to Humans. But, if another cultures customs held that fish, being coldblooded, did not qualify as “animals”, and thus it was OK to eat them on a “vegetarian” diet, who are you to say they are wrong? Even if you ARE the pope, not every religion recognizes him.
I wasn’t arguing with you about that. That was Otto, and frankly, not my venue.
Well, take it out of NOTTHE’s hide, then. Pick pick pick.
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You go on about that “shiteater” thing, tho. I have never stated that “as an omnivore I am opposed to the eating of any scat, to do so is morally wrong”, sure, I don’t wanna, but I know I’m gonna, so I just try to keep the amount down as much as I can.
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Well, are you a shiteater, or not? 
Come on, you hypocrite, you eat SHIT!!! (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
I think “they” are all admitting it here. I have read Vegetarian Times articles discussing this exact concept, and the reality that we do not live in a society where we can totally divorce ourselves from animal products. We just do the best we can. You just won’t get that.
And, Take up the “holier than thou” thing with the actual vegans who have been “holier than thou” with YOU. Not all vegans are that way. You haven’t met every vegan on the planet, you don’t know what they are like, get a grip. You apparently have this latently hostile and anal-rentive drive to find all vegans hypocrites. Get over it. I think this is some inferiority complex of yours, or something. It’s like you have this twitchy, knee-jerk obsession, thinking, “THEY aren’t better than me! I’ll dedicate my life to proving that!” No one fricking cares. Trying to prove to the rest of us that some vast group of people are all hypocrites is warped. Go out and tell off whatever individual vegans who you feel offended you. This is obviously some personal issue that you need to work out.
Some vegans are just trying, the best they can, to NOT eat meat. Just like you aren’t going to knowingly to eat puppies, or worms, or shit. Big difference between knowingly chowing down on a big steaming pile of dog shit, and inadvertantly eating little rat crap bits in your food. Same thing going on with vegans and the little critter bits - and you know it, and I’m not going to waste my time giving you the parallels again.
The whole of vegetarian societies, cookbooks and restaurants seem to feel that fish and chicken are not vegetarian fare. What part of this is not good enough for you? Sounds like enough of an “authoritative voice” to me. It seems good enough for the rest of us, and no doubt it would be good enough for you if this was about any other subject that you weren’t so loopy about. You want to nit pick at anal little details, instead of seeing the completely obvious Big Picture here.
Why this earnest, rabid need to include fish (or chicken - for some people) in the vegetarian diet? What is so wrong with these people being labeled what they are? (People with a diet restricted to fish and/or chicken, but no red meat, and NOT vegetarian.) It almost makes it sound like you think, (or some people think) that the label of “vegetarian” is this envied, elite thing, and the need to be considered one (even if the diet does not fit the requirements) is a really important, needed thing. It’s fricking NOT a need. It’s just a fricking label, a way to describe a specific diet. I just don’t understand WHY you want the collective vegetarian community to change their standards, to (apparently) spare some people’s
sensibilities, or to make some people feel “better” about a diet that no one here is saying is wrong (just not fitting the requirements for vegetarian.)
Oh, fricking get over it. Why the need to bring up these other cultures? Like I said before, on the other thread, so what? So other cultures believe that women are chattel, or eating doggies is cool. WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THEY ARE WRONG?!?! Some people believe the world is flat WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THEY ARE WRONG??!? What does this “other cultures” bullshit have to do with some person in Toledo who wants to eat chicken and still be called a vegetarian? (Which is really what we are discussing here, for the most part.) The whole “other cultures” thing is a smokescreen.
We can say we think they are wrong, we can decide to not acknowledge certain beliefs, practices, whatever, as “correct”. We all do it. And the vast majority of veggies say that eating fish or chicken is NOT a vegetarian food. Not that it is “wrong” (i.e. evil, like beating up a woman) but NOT qualifying as part of the veggie diet. Some veggies refrain from meat for moral reasons, some for dietary reasons, some to “save the planet”. Multitudes of reasons, you cannot even pretend to know all the reasons, hun. You cannot presume to think that they are all “holier than thou”. They are not all out there passing judgment on you, which is what I think is what is really eating at you.
GET OVER IT.
I suppose I should “get over it” too, because I am WASTING MY TIME with you. You obviously have “issues” that cannot be resolved here.
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