What’s wrong with eating doggies?
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What’s wrong with eating doggies?
PeeQueue
Howdy, howdy, howdy! Here I am on this beautiful morning, and what a nice surprise, to find that the Vegan thread is not moribund, after all, but is alive and well and throwing turds around over here in the BBQ Pit. Well, folks, that is one for medical science, isn’t it? Gosh.
And to think I almost missed it, because, silly me, I was assuming that it was so obvious to any right-thinking person that Daniel~'s position was so untenable that the original Vegan thread would simply die a slow, natural death, being relegated to the bottom of the page, and eventually being shuffled off to the Archives somewhere.
But, gee, here we all are again! Hi, Otto! Say, I have to tell ya, I’m actually not that interested in seeing the label on your little bottle after all. Sorry. I hope you’re not too disappointed? Good, I knew you were the resilient sort.
Hi, there, YosemiteBabe! Have a nice trip? At least I’m assuming that that’s where you were flying to, and why you didn’t post anything for a couple of days over there at the Death Scene in GD. If you can stand to receive some advice from a humble SDMB inferior, may I pass along what my mom always used to tell me when somebody insisted on jerking my chain? She’d say, “Don’t let him know where your goat is tied.” In other words, he can’t get your goat if he doesn’t know where it’s tied, see? Unfortunately, it seems to be too late for that here–Daniel~ already knows that all he has to do is shout, “Hypocrite!” and YosemiteBabe will send him a nice, long, attention-getting post. Behavioral reinforcement at its simplest.
Well, now, that’s enough chit-chat. Time to put the gloves on. Daniel,~ you made the following remark (above):
Ahem. What I actually said was, (and I hope you’re all properly appreciative of the trouble I went through to get this quote; I had to schlepp all the way back over to Great Debates for it, and my computer is not terribly fast):
First off, I object to the way you have phrased your complaint. The phrase “…even tho Cece himself backs me up…” seems to imply that at the time you and I were discussing the eating of afterbirths, you had Cece right there backing you up, in the form of a link or a cite, and that I was stubbornly insisting in the face of evidence to the contrary that no, people don’t eat afterbirths. This was not the case.
Second, I object to the fact that you don’t seem to understand what IMHO stands for. Yes, yes, I know that YOU know it stands for “In My Humble Opinion”, but I don’t think you realize that in a conversational context, it’s used to venture an opinion tactfully, rather than to make an assertion. I wasn’t saying flat-out, “Nobody eats placentas.” I was saying, “My opinion is that nobody eats placentas.”
Then, I did not “call it an Urban Legend.” That would mean that I would have said, “Yes, the idea that some people eat placentas is just another Urban Legend.” Instead, I thought I worded it tactfully by using qualifiers such as, “…verges perilously close on being…”
But when all the squabbling over semantics is done, it seems to me, Daniel~, that what has produced your obvious feeling of grievance, is the fact that after Tracer posted his link proving to me that yes, some people do indeed eat placentas, I was so ungracious as to refuse to immediately post an apology for ever disbelieving you, including an announcement to all the world that yes, Daniel~ WAS right, after all–people really DO eat placentas.
If that is the case, than mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
I do beg your pardon. I do beg your HUMBLE pardon. I abase myself. I grovel. Please, can you ever forgive me?
IN FACT, DANIEL~ WAS RIGHT AND I WAS WRONG–SOME PEOPLE DO EAT PLACENTAS.
Is that better now?
YosemiteBabe, Otto, Nurlman, Tracer–folks, I am not going to post anymore to the Vegan thread, to keep it from getting bumped up to the top, and I suggest that we all do the same, lest any more innocent newbies get sucked into this great morass. :rolleyes:
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen
You know, after reading this thread, I really have no appetite for any food product whatsoever now.
{hurk}
'Scuze me…
Esprix
Yep, I laugh, I chuckle, you make your point.
Oh, by the way, I couldn’t make it to Yosemite this time (I’ll make my annual pilgrimage in the Fall) but I hung out with friends in San Diego. A little chilly, but nice!
I needn’t have rambled on to Daniel that long in my last post. A waste of energy. Because it all comes down to a few simple concepts with him: this is all his way of whining WAAAAAA!!! Those nasty vegetarians think they are better than me!!! WAAAAA! They can’t do that!" Crybaby. Kind of like the type of person, who, if they are drinking alcohol and meet up with someone who doesn’t drink, has the immediate knee-jerk reaction “What!?! Why don’t you drink?!? Ya think you’re better than me?” Obviously someone with “issues”.
And, Daniel is also basically saying “WAAAAAA! Those mean vegetarians say that vegetarians can’t eat fish! Why not? That’s not fair! WAAAAA!” Sheesh.
Anyway, you’re right NOTTHEMAMA, this whole thing needs to die - no one seems to be pushing this “hypocrite” thing anymore except Daniel, who has personal issues none of us can touch.
Polydactyl Cats Unlimited
“A Cat Cannot Have Too Many Toes”
Ha! You remind me of myself, Daniel. We must have been pals in another life or something. I’m here to tell you that it rarely works out the way you describe, though.
Oh, and Esprix, I’m not “siding” with any troll. I’ve read through that other thread as well as this one, and I’ve seen no evidence of trolling on Daniel’s part. It’s not his fault, or my fault, that you throw that label around so gratuitously (apparently to anyone who doesn’t exercise your ideal…what did you call it…“argumentative style”).
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
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Rousseau is right, especially on here. Oh, that only we could devastate someone so completely with our wit an intellect that they were left grovelling and searching for meaning. Here, of all places, it just ain’t gonna happen.
… being someone who is presented with evidence contrary to their position from a reliable source and blowing it off, but then we’ve been down this road before, haven’t we, Rousseau?
Daniel may not have been a troll in the vegan thread, but calling people sock-puppets when they disagree with him reads troll to me, or at least insanely stupid on this board, and it’s going to get him torn to shreds if he’s not careful.
Just my opinion based on previous observations.
Esprix
Esprx: the whole point of calling “them” “sockpuppets” was the point, if I’m a “troll” then they are “sockpuppets”. Now, I’ll cop to being as sshle, I did lay some heavy satire & mean shots @ them, AND tried to rattle their cages on purpose, AFTER they got personal. BUT, after reading everything this site has on “trolls”, I am the very antitheses of a troll. Yes, they are not “sockpuppets” (even tho their posts do have a certain “me too” about them). That’s just the point, get it?
I think you guys need to take a stress pill or something. Sure, I was debating very strongly, but that’s the point, isn’t it?
I do not really have “issues” w/ vegetarians, but I do love a good debate. Shheesh…
OH, and for CHEF, I am sorry I did not answer prior, re my “tag”. If you check my 10 Commandments thread, you can see I can quote scipture. So, I do know that is was lions. See, I figured that when I started posting here, some folks would be on me like a pack of jackals (psychic, eh?), so I was going to go for Danielinthejackalsden, but I decided to be nice, and since a wolf is my totem/arms, I went for wolves. OK?
& “Babe”, maybe I was wrong in lumping you in w/ the other 2.
One last rattle of the cage: maybe the “old wives” WERE right, maybe fish IS brain food…
We all ignored this the first time you wrote it, we still are. It’s lame.
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I do not really have “issues” w/vegetarians, but I do love a good debate. Shheesh…
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Oh suuuure. :rolleyes: And all that repeated whining about “holier than thou” - no, no issues at all.
Never have I encountered someone with more “issues” about (I suspect) the possibility that maybe someone else is thinking that they are “better”. (i.e. “holier than thou”.) Anyone who was just enjoying the debate would not drag this out so long, believe me.
Naw…no issues at all!
Polydactyl Cats Unlimited
“A Cat Cannot Have Too Many Toes”
Great. I do my first “rolly-eyed” smiley, but screw up the quote. No damned excuse.
Oh well, I’ll make myself feel better by doing a few more rolly-eyes.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
“12:37 a.m.” – that’s a good enough excuse for me, YB.
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen
Then your point was not well made, nor clearly made. I’d suggest being a lot more careful in the future - look where it’s gotten you to this point.
Fine. So what did you learn from all this? Assuming you’re sincere that a simple debate got out of hand, how is it not going to happen again?
Esprix
My, my, my. Hypocrisy abounds in Esprix’s last post.
Seriously for a moment, I honestly can’t make heads or tails of this sentence. I have to admit, 'Sprix, your syntax is becoming dangerously bj0rn-esque lately.
We certainly have. In fact, I saw quite a bit of it on the vegetarian thread. And a lot of it was coming from the opponents of Daniel.
That’s funny, since you do the exact same thing with the “troll” label. As evidenced by this very sentence.
Hmmmm…maybe you do have a point then.
Really? Based on what “previous experiences?” Do you have a cite for that? I must say, I’m disappointed with this sudden decline in your argumentative style.
You sound so much like me that it isn’t even funny. But you will eventually come to understand that a lot of people around here take this board very, very seriously. It would be nice to have a relaxed debate, but some people (who most likely look to this board to fill some void in their lives) can get quite abrasive when they’re confronted with somebody who says anything besides “Yes, I agree with you. Be my friend.” And that’s the way it is, and there’s nothing you can do about that.
No, what a lot of them need to do is ween themselves off this thing and quit making ten posts per day. If only there were an SDMB patch, or gum, or a clinic you could check into.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
ROUSS: if you are ever out in the Silicon valley area, I’ll buy you a beer(or whatever), there does seem to be a slight “separated at birth” thing here. It is also nice to hear from an experianced SD poster.
Yes, I have learned a few things…
However, I guess, that by this flame going on for 2 pages, I’ve at least got notoriety!
(do I thank OTTO for this?)
Yeah, yeah, what a poor victim Daniel is… :rolleyes:
When someone starts picking at a group of people (in this case, vegetarians) who have all had simular experiences from many non-vegetarians, there will be a feeding frenzy of sorts. We veggies have probably all encountered the non-veggies who feel the need to confront us (unsolicited) :
“Plants have feelings too!” or,
“What do you think, you’re better than me?” (or something to that effect) or,
“Why can’t you eat fish or chicken?” or
“Come on, you can surely have a little chicken! What are you, a fanatic?” or
(My favorite) “Look at me! I am waving this big bloody steak in your face! Come on, want a bite?” or…or…or
We are a little sick and tired of it. For those of you who are not veggie, you couldn’t possibly understand that. Sure, some veggies will argue and preach and get “holier than thou”, but most of us want to eat our damned meatless dinner in peace. Which isn’t so easy when some lame-o is waving their steak in your face, or deciding that you can eat fish after all, or that you are a “hypocrite” just because you have decided to not eat something for moral reasons. So sure, we can have an attitude. Guilty as charged.
So Daniel started doggedly arguing with a group of vegetarians who have all undoubtedly had experienced these situations. And he carries on about those “holier than thou” vegetarians (one of the classics from my list) so sure, we have his number. We think he has “issues”. Still do. This went beyond having a debate for the sake of a debate quite a while ago.
Polydactyl Cats Unlimited
“A Cat Cannot Have Too Many Toes”
Babe: I never said I was a victim. I have not whined. I stated NONE of the things on your list (as they are all trite), except the “holier than thou”, which was a counter attack. (Now you’re gonna say I said it is OK for you to eat fish, nope, what I said was in the spirit of multiculturalism I would let those religons who do so, call themselves veg).I did expect to get savaged. I hoped that there was enough intelligence here that AT LEAST the personal attacks would be more clever than “fckng twit” or “retard” (at least sh*teater shows a mild wit). I was enjoying the debate, and did not get nasty until some got personal.
Yeah, but you enjoyed having Rouseau do it for you.
“Holier than thou” - meaning that we all were saying we were “better than you” because we didn’t eat meat? Please copy and paste excerpts of the collective “us” on the thread doing that - preaching about how much better we are than you because of our diet. I strongly suspect you’ve had “issues” with veggies that may (or may not) have been “holier than thou” for a loooong time before this thread came up.
You go ahead, hun, “let” anyone call themselves anything you want. Just don’t expect the vegetarian community to acknowledge them. And, you keep on acting as if there is some vast influx of foreign “pseudo veggies” who are going to be offended because the rest of the veggie community won’t consider their fish-eating part of a vegetarian diet. Which is a load of crap anyway, I doubt they care what we consider them - it isn’t like we’re snatching the damned fish out of their mouth, and telling them they can’t eat it. And what does this has to do with about 99.99% of the “faux” veggies we are talking about on the veggie thread - the ones who don’t come from these other cultures, but from Toledo, London or Sacramento?
:rolleyes: (I’m getting a lot of use out of that icon right now!)
Polydactyl Cats Unlimited
“A Cat Cannot Have Too Many Toes”
YOSEMITE: you’re right, my high school buddy who became a Buddist monk wouldn’t give a rodents behind for what you thought about him (or his diet).
I will give you a compliment–my gawd, you’re fast on the reply button. I nominate you for fastest poster.
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen
Rousseau, your skin is thinning, dear - you should have that looked into.
Ouch! That was mean!
I suppose I could clarify the sentence by saying, “Oh, if only we COULD devastate someone so completely with our wit and intellect that we leave them grovelling and searching for meaning - how wonderful would that be? :)” I made a typo and perhaps left out an italics that might have confused you.
Oh, I agree - Otto et al. got pretty hot under the collar, too. But since they’re the vegetarians, I’m going to tend to accept their opinions and research as a little closer to accurate than someone who isn’t.
I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. Maybe I’m wrong - which I know would just shock you to the core! :rolleyes: By his explanation, it was a discussion that got out of hand, and “sock puppet” was just the epithet he had at hand at the moment - I can accept that and give him the benefit of the doubt.
Meaning that by accusing well-known posters of being sock puppets of each other, other stalwarts of this board would jump all over him (as evidenced in this thread). If he’s going to say things that open himself up like that, I’d call that fairly idiotic.
Unlike you, dear Rousseau, I know the difference between “opinion” and “fact,” which is why I stated it as such.
Rousseau, I don’t know why you’re complaining. For as ignorant as I think you are, I still maintain you’re a very competent, intelligent individual. Besides, there’s no such thing as a “relaxed debate” in the Pit, is there? (Go look at your very first post in our infamous “homophobic bigots” thread to see how well our first debate started off.)
Why does it bother you so much I post here a lot? I’ve already explained I have nothing to do all day long at work, for reasons beyond my control - the only thing I can do to keep from being bored to tears is surf the 'net, as I have a computer sitting in front of me that at least gives me the appearance of working, and this is the most interesting place I’ve found in months. If you don’t like my posts, stop reading them or responding to them (which, as you’ve already proven, you’re quite capable of doing).
Esprix