Does it make any difference wheather or not they are actually making money of said pics?
Mine too! There is no doubt in my mind that you were a great comfort to all of your patients - no matter what they were there for.
Originally Posted by Wildcatz
AARGH! And people wonder that I say that adoption is not necessarily a viable alternative.
Way for that person to support the sanctity of life, huh?
Suppose these abortion cam people would have been willing to take in and support the friend who got pregnant due to rape so that she could carry the child to term without support from the father or her family? (Since she didn’t have either…)
Sigh. :rolleyes:
One of the hardest parts about living in America is allowing people who get on your last nerve to speak their mind.
If you allow the Shriners to parade down 5th Street, then you’ve got to allow the KKK to do the same. It’s their right as Americans and if we would go to great measures to stop them simply because we don’t agree with them, then we have lowered ourselves to their level.
FWIW, I’ve never been to an abortion clinic but if the PETA folks want to take a picture of me ordering my cheeseburger and fries, so be it. I’m at a public restaurant and I’m doing something they consider abhorrant. I just hope I don’t have a pickle hanging out of my mouth.
Such is life in America.
“Speaking your mind” should not include bomb threats (sometimes not a threat, a la Eric Rudolph) or shooting Doctors.
Yes, that’s a given. The OP was talking about anti-abortion groups taping people walking in and out of abortion clinics. That is neither an explicit nor an implicit threat of violence.
Don’t these people have day jobs? Shouldn’t they be doing something a little more constructive with their time? I mean, where do you go from here? You’ve got videotapes. Now what do you do with them, sell them as “Girls Gone Wild, Four Months Later!”?
True, the OP did not address anything beyond video taping. Several people have expanded on the tactics of Pro-Life groups in this thread, as did I.
To my knowledge, PETA hasn’t killed anyone for eating a cheeseburger, but I could be wrong. Pro Lifer(s) have killed in the name of their cause. And I’d bet they would claim it to be acting on their beliefs, speaking their mind, etc. Maybe you don’t see that connection. I do. YMMV
But you can’t tag all pro-life folks from the actions of a few. Free speech means just that. It’s only when an individual crosses the line that the law becomes involved.
You can’t arrest a whole group of people just because some of them have become criminals.
So maybe it’s not an implicit threat of violence. But if violence is not the intended end effect of the videotapes, then what is?
IMHO, the groups want one of two things to result from the taping
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The girls are so humiliated when someone they know views the tapes, they decided no never have another abortion
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The pictures are used to find the girl’s personal information (address, phone number, etc). The group then uses that information to harass the girl and anyone who was with her to the point that she realizes how “wrong” she was and repents.
Now granted, I’m not a member of one of these groups, so I have no way of getting inside their twisted minds to see what they actually think, so YMMV.
Nah, I don’t think she meant to arrest them all. I agree with the PETA reference. They protest, and get weird with it sometimes, but they haven’t gone off the deep end. If PETA did kill a few people eating some good wholesome meaty dinners, then there would be a problem with them taking pictures and protesting, etc. 
As for what the OP is doing…freedom is one thing. But your rights stop where my nose begins. You have no right to violate my human rights. One of these is the right to anonymity. It is your right to make your own choices as you wish without those choices being known to the world. It is your right to not be recorded, or have pictures taken of you. It is your right to only have these things made public by your consent! If they want to ask if they can take a picture, fine. But otherwise, it’s not right, and it’s a violation of human rights and freedoms.
Hmmm…
Well Earth First (and other eco terrorists) has done many violent acts…does that mean we get to lump all environmentalists with them?
Indeed, when it comes to domestic acts of violence and terrorism…what do you think tops the FBIs list… Aryan Nation types? Pro Life bombers?
Nope…
From here:
I eagerly await your condemnation of environmentalists.
All? Please show me in any post of mine where I said ALL Pro-Lifers, or even MOST or MANY… I didn’t say “some” or “a small amount” but I never said ALL either. Do I condemn all environmentalists? Nope - Do I agree with those who use violence or terror in trying to get the message across - No way
:rolleyes:
Well I see 2 possibilites here.
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My evil twin Sparky took over the keyboard while I chugged down the dregs of my Diet Dr. Pepper.
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I was sloppy and didn’t read your post very well…and was thinking that the PETA reference was something that it wasn’t.
While #2 is more probable, #1 has a certain sentimental hopefullness about it. 
Sorry.
You are walking down the street, and you see some sadists dousing a homeless man in gasoline in preparation for setting him on fire.
You shout “Stop that!”
The sadists then ask you if you are willing to take this man into your own home, and accept responsibility for helping him overcome his alcoholism and schizophrenia. You say, “No, but you still can’t burn him to death!”
They call you a hypocrite and strike a match.
I don’t think finding abortion objectionable on moral grounds necessarily translates into volunteering to parent every pregnant teen ager in America. It is a bit like slave-holders objecting to the abolition of slavery because no one was going to reimburse them for the money they spent on slaves.
Regards,
Shodan
Intimidation through threat of revealling lifestyle information to family, friends, or colleagues.
In short, it’s a threat to be ‘outed’.
Low, dispicable, and legal.
This has got to be the stupidest thing I’ve read in many a day on so many levels, but I’ll start with just a simple one. As of this moment, in the United States, it’s legal for a woman to have an abortion and still illegal to burn people to death!
What a stupid comparison.
beagledave,
You are a Gentleman & a Scholar. Thank you.
I didn’t clarify that the PETA reference came from the previous page where someone wrote that it was fine by her if PETA wanted to take pictures of her while she ate a cheeseburger.
Stevek42 expanded nicely on what I meant about PETA… sure I wouldn’t mind them taking pictures of me while I enjoy a filet mignon because I view them as (mostly) a benign group of protestors. If there had been (isolated) incidents of PETA killing Patrons at Steakhouses, I might be a bit edgy as they video taped me entering Ruth Chris Steakhouse… that’s all. It seems easy to say “Fine, tape me” when there haven’t been deaths involved. PETA has done some “odd” things but to my knowledge hasn’t killed a person over animal rights.
This of course is just MHO. I won’t change anyone else’s ethics any more than they will change mine.
DO we have a right to anonymity? Is anonymity guaranteed somewhere? I’m not trying to be snide, I really don’t know.
No one seems certain if a videographer can “use” your likeness without your written consent, whether for material or other gain, if you are in public. If there were some sort of right to anonymity that would seem to clear up the problem.