Duck Dynasty is not remotely a “look at the freaks” show. It’s not my cuppa tea, but it presents itself as a family values show. It has storylines and themes and even a narrator telling a story, one that is supposed to represent the real life of these entrepreneurs.
The Borgias had family values. So did the Romanovs, the Tudors. At its base, family values are little more uplifting than the Darwinism of the preying mantis or the fruit fly.
In Acey’s defense, the guy is retarded. Like, legitimately. So the guy’s actually doing pretty well from a functional standpoint, all things considered. Cut the poor guy some slack. He’s trying. 
I don’t remember him ever saying such a thing. He’s just a gullible idiot who gets all of his news from The Daily Mail.
Just because all opinions should be allowed a voice doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t say how we feel about those opinions.
And even if he’s allowed his own opinions, ace certainly isn’t entitled to his own facts – he claimed many things that were untrue, and ignored people who corrected him on it.
This isn’t the first time he’s pulled this kind of shit. His comments were fucked up and he’s so full of shit the toilet’s jealous.
This will be aceplace’s epitaph.
Phil has said however that there are a lot of situations that are planned out, and that the family act along with “their little skits”, so it’s kind of a guided improv show. They’re being themselves going along with the scenarios placed before them.
Where did this detail of one of the girls being groped or whatever being only five years old come from? I figured they might be the older daughters - which is sick but not SICK!!!
There are two extremes in this whole thing- those who want to downplay or even exonerate Josh Duggar’s abuses & his parents’ bad handling of such, and those who want to see the whole family publically disgraced & destroyed, regardless of the sisters involved who are actively part of the family.
One of the victims is still a minor, and the incident happened in 2002 or 2003.
Yeah, but it was a reaction to the theological liberalism that had been developing throughout the Enlightenment. Up until the 1700s, pretty much all organized Christianity, whether it be Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, leaned fundamentalist.
I see my comments about Josh Duggar drew some heated attention.
I feel very strongly that what a juvenile does is wiped clean when they become an adult. It’s a basic concept of the juvenile courts that all records are sealed. Giving the person a fresh start in life. I know Josh didn’t get prosecuted. He should have been, and then the juvenile court judge could have ordered long term therapy for Josh, and professional counseling for the victims. But thats old water under the bridge. The statue of limitations has long ago expired. Dragging this incident up now is simply a way to destroy and permanently discredit him and the entire Duggar family because of their religious beliefs and political activism. It’s also traumatizing his victims all over again. Forcing them to relive the horror of what happened twelve years ago. But no one cares about that. They simply want to blindly hate the adult man for something terrible he did as a young teen 12 years ago.
Enough. I know my opinion is unpopular. So be it. But lets be clear. I find what Josh did morally repugnant and sickening. I can only hope that he’s not victimized anyone else. If evidence of any adult crime emerges than he should be imprisoned for a long time. But I won’t join in and pile on the hate for Josh’s troubled childhood unless evidence of any adult crimes emerge. If he’s really a pedo or sexual predator there will be a long list of victims throughout the past 12 years.
I suggest reading some books on criminal rehabilitation. Society made the decision to shift away from vengeance based prison sentencing to a focus on rehabilitation and forgiveness. The juvenile courts and criminal rehabilitation programs are one of our country’s biggest achievements in the early to mid 20th century. It wasn’t done entirely from compassion or kindness. It’s known that vengeance based, harsh prison sentences don’t prevent recidivism. A new approach had to be found.
Here are two books I’ve read and found quite informative. There are others that I read many years ago. But these are two recent ones that I found informative. The Gideon book is a textbook and isn’t light reading. I spent over a year working my way through it.
Balanced discussion on the successes and failures of criminal rehabilitation. The chapter on sexual offenders is very good.
Rethinking Corrections: Rehabilitation, Reentry, and Reintegration Lior Gideon and Hung-En Sung
This is a very good life story of a former career criminal. A fast read because its so fascinating.
Choose to do Right: A Proven Path to Criminal Rehabilitation by Andrew E Matson
Finally, the books that originally sparked my interest in rehabilitating juveniles back in my high school years. The story of gang leaderNicky Cruz is fascinating and it clearly shows how a troubled teen can reform and lead a responsible adult life.
Run Baby Run by Nicky Cruz
too get another perspective of his story… read
*The Cross and the Switchblade * David Wilkerson and Elizabeth Sherrill
Duck Dynasty is a “lookit them freaks” show coming the other way - “lookit how goshdarn *American *these people are ! You’ll never be as authentic an American as they are. These people eat spangled stars and shit rugged, individualist bald eagles ramping Harley bikes on the torch of Lady Liberty while John Wayne plays the *Battle Hymn of the Republic *with an M-14 rifle”.
But it’s still corny as all hell, not to mention a hot spot of high grade, concentrated hickery. They’re walking, talking caricatures of a stereotype that never even existed. And I have no notion how people can take any of it seriously.
Nothing changes. Way to not respond to the criticism laid out before you.
I wonder if your just some type of right wing bot 5hat just responds to key words.
No, it’s a way to discredit him for the crimes he has committed. Since, as you say, we can’t hold him legally accountable, then let’s drag his good family name through the cesspool.
Well, hold on, there, pardner. If we can’t hold him accountable now for those crimes, why should we hold him accountable for them five years from now? Also, see below re: vengeance-based, harsh sentences, which you seem to be advocating here.
THAT’S EVEN WORSE, YOU RETARD. The only way we will find out if there is that long list is if there is a trial and people come forward to testify against him.
You can’t have criminal rehabilitation if he’s not a criminal, and he’s not a criminal until he’s convicted of his fucking crimes.
Either it’ll be okay to be all vengeance-like on him a few years down the road, or it won’t be. Fucking pick one.
Oh, and, you should write to Tsarnaev about how we’ve switched away from vengeance-based sentences. I’m sure he’ll find that very reassuring while he waits for the state to scrape up enough money to buy poison sufficient to kill his sorry ass.
Yeah. He’s as much a master of weasel words as Josh Duggar. And it’s not about his idiotic unpopular opinions, be those as bad as they are. It’s about repeated willful ignorance, never bothering to learn even the barest modicum of facts and spewing bullshit that bears no resemblance at all to reality. Every time. I agree with whoever said that he’s truly one of the biggest morons on the board.
To be fair, I know a lot about King–I’ve read his entire “Letter from a Birmingham Permit Office”–and didn’t know that.
The idea of sealing juvenile records is not a terrible thing. but there’s some things to think about with that:
- Someone that did this as a kid, if they’ve not already been prosecuted, probably should not be prosecuted. That does NOT mean that they should be held up as a paragon of sexual virtue.
- The case appears never to have been investigated; the girls never appear to have received appropriate counseling. IF this is true (and no, Bricker, I don’t have absolute evidence it’s true), then airing the case publicly might provide them with a chance to hear people saying: no, it wasn’t your fault. No, it wasn’t okay. Yes, you are allowed to be furious with your brother.
- While JOsh’s actions were horrifying, there is the meager excuse of his being a juvenile, for whatever that’s worth. HIS PARENTS HAVE NO SUCH EXCUSE. A lot of this story is focusing on the completely terrible way his parents handled the case. And it’s a too too common approach: when sexual abuse happens in a family, parents will punt by blaming the victim, by downplaying the seriousness, by sweeping things under the rug. This public conversation is helpful in part because it may dissuade other parents from taking this approach–but only if people don’t wring their hands in sympathy for the goddamned parents.
Hell yes!
I think it will also enlightened a lot of clueless people out there who don’t see the big deal, because 1) either they were groped by an older sibling and turned out okay or 2) they were the one doing the groping and they aren’t Satan incarnate. Perhaps hearing the public’s reactions to this story will make these people realize that abuse is abuse, it’s not normal, and it’s not okay.
I also hope it makes people more skeptical about the role models they choose to put up on pedestals. Everyone needs to stop getting their “family values” from people on TV.
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Or it makes them more vigorously defend that prick’s deplorable actions. You know, “I did it and I wanna be given a pass too.”
Very well done.
I found ace’s version of how the civil rights protests went down. What’s really interesting is that he contrasted the orderliness and peacefulness of the protests in Selma and Montgomery with the out-of-control and reckless behavior by five players on the St Louis Rams who walked into the football field with their hands up, shortly after the unrest began in Ferguson last year.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17942020&postcount=61
My position is not difficult to understand. I’ve made it clear that Duggar’s actions were wrong. Thankfully it didn’t go beyond groping and fondling. That’s still disgusting and traumatic for the victims.
I believe strongly in second chances for children. I can’t agree with destroying somebody’s reputation for something they did many years ago in childhood. This isn’t a new scandal for the family. It’s something they all went through and dealt with long ago. It was reported to a state police officer and much later there was aformal police investigation in 2006. It’s a private family matter that is now being exploited because people disagree with the Duggar’s political activism.