Advice for unattractive women vs. advice for unattractive men

Perhaps not if your are emphasising your blowjob skills. :eek:

scratching my head

So this bland young woman had a boyfriend already?

For all you know, she had been dressing the way her boyfriend had wanted her to dress. Maybe her physical appearance changed not based on your (unsolicited) recommendations, but BECAUSE she’d finally broken things off with that guy.

When I first started working at a real job, I dressed in a “bland” way too. But it’s not because I’m a bland person. It’s because I didn’t have enough money to have a nice wardrobe. And I was young and still trying to figure out a style.

It’s pretty ballsy to assume that you, a random guy at the office, was the impetus behind the kind evolution that naturally happens to just about everyone as they come into their own.

So you think men don’t do the same? You think plain or moderately attractive women haven’t stood around alone as all of the men salivate over the beautiful blond goddess in the room? You don’t think men try to date up? It’s just like those dating threads:

I can’t dance
don’t look good
haven’t been out of my mom’s basement
have a part time job
have no hobbies
nothing to make me interesting

But I want a girlfriend. No fat chicks, please.

Good gods!

I won’t link to it, but in the latest iteration of “I’m a virgin!” thread, the OP says that he has no hope a “pretty” girl will ever find him attractive.

The sympathy I felt for him disappeared.

Still, some good advice would not be out of order.

That was so weird. I clicked on that before realizing it was a youtube link. My bad, but I can’t play youtube here anyway…except my computer just kept trying and trying and trying. Everytime I would close the tab it would reopen and try again. I tried to navigate again, and it opened a new tab with that same video. I had to close IE (yes we have to use that) for it to work!

Weird as hell.

I don’t think you even need to say “moderately” attractive – I know a few very attractive women who have been single since forever.

I’m not saying that it’s easy for women and difficult for men, just that there’s an asymmetry there that the OP is not seeing. If a woman is single for a long time it’s not necessarily the case that (hypothetically) becoming more attractive would fix all that, since, like I say, some attractive women struggle to meet someone suitable.

And…I’m not sure that your hypothetical is such a good example. IME it doesn’t take many men flocking around one girl before other guys will just ignore her and find someone else to talk to. Whereas if there’s a guy with women all around him, that will often get the attention of even more women.

There are some really delusional guys out there, yep. But they largely belong to the pool of guys with virtually no dating experience, and, like you say, little to make them attractive to anyone at this time.
They may as well not be there as far as the dating “scene” is concerned.

Sadly, not in my experience. And, yes, I was always the wallflower in this situation. Oh well!

Even if we posit this is true, the attention he gets won’t last indefinitely. Women, just like men, will eventually turn their attention to lower hanging fruit.

This is a people thing, not a gender thing.

While I found this an interesting read, perhaps writing is not the best use of your, um, “attributes” - what with the time consuming dust jacket photoshoots and tedious in-person book signings and such. Have you considered a career in radio?

Read my entire post, he was using her. He would drive her to work and pick her up. In between she had no idea where he went. He didn’t have a job. At one point myself and a couple of others gave her $50 to buy groceries because she had no money left. She was working part time then and trying to support both of them.
Yes, he probably wanted her to dress that way, for obvious reasons.
She broke up with the deadbeat after she started to turn her life around.
More than once we asked her why she stayed with the guy. Her response: “he’s the only guy I’ve known”.

The last time I saw her she was taking university courses as she wanted to be a police officer.

Btw, low priced clothing don’t have to be bland. You need to spend a lot of money to look nice.

EDIT: You don’t need to spend a lot of money to look nice.

I think most people have an exaggeratedly positive or exaggeratedly negative notion about their own physical appearance. Few people seem to be accurate about their appearance. But again it is also subjective to a certain extent.

I think you and I have a lot of similar experiences in life.

By the way, I can still walk with a book balanced on my head. In high heels. Used to be able to do it doing down stairs, too, but my quads aren’t that great anymore.

And I still get into a car butt-first if I’m wearing a skirt. Perch butt on car seat, slide in, pull legs in after.

I just wanted to acknowledge a great post, your greatness.

:smiley:

What one “ugly” woman has been told just in the past three months.

That was painful to watch, perhaps even more so because the woman in the video actually fits conventional Western beauty standards in most ways. If she wasn’t a slim white woman with blue eyes, blonde hair, and pretty, symmetrical facial features, the comments she received presumably would have been even worse.

And as usual, the comments on that video are revolting.

There’s something else I’ve not seen mentioned in this thread, and I’ll mention it because it affected me : be in good health. Physical health is a key marker. If you’re not generally healthy then you’re going to get dismissed as a potential mate pretty much immediately. I was not in good health until my early 30s, constantly sniffling, and sneezing at perfumes, and that was that. (And my sneezes can be heroically loud.) As such I never developed the art of conversation, much less the art of making people laugh.

I’m sure she didn’t take those comments personally. Especially since it was an obvious performance piece to prove a point. That point being the internet is full of jerks, I suppose.

Honestly, the most surprising thing about that video was that more comments weren’t about Barack Obama.

I would bet you that 99% of the people who commented on her face would never be able to land a date with a girl that attractive in a million years. Heck, most of them would have a hard enough time mustering up the courage to even approach her.