Alan Keyes' daughter comes out

It may be the best thing for her, really. There are worse things than being rejected by your father, like living a lie to keep his affection.

Do you have a cite that she was “kept” off stage (as opposed to choosing not to step up)?

Officially, “It was Mary’s choice” to be shunned from the stage. You are welcome to believe that crap if you wish.

Count me as one of those who prefer a consistent dickhead to a hypocritical asswipe. At least with the consistent dickhead you know where they stand – which makes it easier to avoid them.

I believe it. After all, if you were Mary Cheney, would you want to be up-front and center stage when all those Republican delegates started breaking out the pitchforks and torches?

She was the freakin’ reelection campaign manager for Dick. I don’t believe she freely chose, with no duress, to not join the rest of the family onstage.

While it’s great that Maya will be taken care of, I really worry about the hundreds if not thousands of other GLBT youths who are in a very similiar situation: utterly rejected by their family and thrown out into the street with no place to go. That Maya will go to Brown and be supported is great, but what of those who end up wandering the streets because their family rejected them for their sexual orientation? The GLBT community needs to reach out to them, as well!

I’m not certain, but I believe that is precisely what The Point Foundation does. I mean, it seems a bit of a stretch to set up a whole foundation just to send Maya Keyes to college. I’m pretty sure they work with other people besides her, too.

Yeah, like consensual sex between adults, apparently.

My point is that while it’s great that Maya is still getting into Brown, there are many others in her situation (disowned by their parents, kicked out into the streets) that have no where to go. Yes, the Point Foundation is for college expenses, which is fine and that Maya is getting that help is great. But what about the many GLBT kids who aren’t going to college, have minimal job skills, no support network and have just been kicked out onto the streets by their parents? Because Maya’s father is famous (or infamous, depending upon your viewpoint) it seems her case is getting special attention. I’m not trying to downplay her situation, getting rejected by your family is terrible. But for every “Maya” how many GLBT youths don’t make the national headlines or get attention? They need help as well!

Alan Keyes is a dumbass motherfucker and watching him get stomped by Obama was the only highlight of the 2004 election.

Yes, many of us find that to be terribly concerning, which is why we are working not only to palliate that emergency but also to prevent it from happening in the first place by offering education and support.

The Pount Foundation is specifically for youths “who show leadership potential”. I don’t think non-college-bound stoner squeegee kids meet that standard most of the time.

You are correct in thinking that there are many disenfranchised GLBT kids out there - suicide rates are still atrocious. Where I am, though, we have other resources for them. It’s not a zero-sum game. Just because we are helping more privileged kids with more marketable skills, doesn’t mean we’re ignoring the ones who aren’t Yale material.

She made the same point that you did. Look at the last few paragraphs in the article in the OP.

I disagree. I think that hypocrisy is worse than rejecting your child. When a famous person constantly rants about how terrible homosexuality is and then, when it’s discovered that their own child is gay, not only continues to associate with the child (and makes them a staffer in their election committee), but even castigates people who point out the hypocrisy and demands that he and the child should be given their privacy, what they are saying is that, because they are rich, famous, and powerful, the rules don’t apply to them. What they’re saying is that homosexuality is terrible, except when it’s someone in their own family.

Similarly, when a famous person rants about how all drug addicts should get long sentences, but who then sees that his own child goes to drug rehabilitation, or when a famous person rants about how abortion is evil, but helps his own daughter to get an abortion, or rants about how draft dodgers are evil, but helps his own son to get an exemption by using his influence, they are being worse than people with merely stupid, despicable opinions. (And, please notice, when the press points out what these famous people and their children did, these hypocrites demand that others respect their privacy.) What these hypocrites believe is that the rules don’t apply to them because they are rich, famous, and powerful. As long as you keep letting these hypocrites off easy by saying, “Oh, well, it’s not that bad because they don’t even actually believe their stupid, despicable stated opinions,” you allow them to keep on being hypocritical. What you’re doing is saying, “Hey, because you’re rich, famous, and powerful, the rules don’t apply to you.”

Well, quite frankly, I’d prefer that said person not only welcome their child with open arms, but then change their attitudes towards everyone else as well.

But whether they go the hypocrite way of accepting only their loved ones and condemning everyone else, or cast out their children from their lives completely, they’re assholes.

Wait, wasn’t Keyes the one that admonished Hillary Clinton for being a carpetbagger in her senatorial race in NY and then he bagged it over to Illinois to make his run?

stpauler writes:

> Wait, wasn’t Keyes the one that admonished Hillary Clinton for being a
> carpetbagger in her senatorial race in NY and then he bagged it over to Illinois
> to make his run?

If that’s so, then Keyes drops back to being worse than the politicians who believe that the rules don’t apply to their own children. Keyes apparently believes that the rules do apply to his children but not to himself.

Guinastasia writes:

> But whether they go the hypocrite way of accepting only their loved ones and
> condemning everyone else, or cast out their children from their lives completely,
> they’re assholes.

Of course, they’re assholes, but there are degrees of being an asshole.

It’s so, Wendell Wagner. He justified it by saying the situation was different because he was invited to run by the Illinois Republicans.

I find it very easy to forgive hypocracy. It’s a very human failing.

It’s hard to live a life of moral absolutes. Weakness makes us all hypocrites to some degree or another. And sometimes this weakness is even a virtue, as when Dick Cheney’s love for his daughter overrides his ideology.

Alan Keyes is a jerk.