Not sure why you’re worried. It will never happen based on the MOU. See, the only entity required to consult with indigenous is the Federal government. They can’t sluff it off to the project proponent or Alberta. So, just like they won’t vote for their own MOU in parliament, they won’t fulfill this requirement. The scenario is the same as it was for TMX. It is highly unlikely they will get a proponent for the pipeline as no one would be stupid enough to trust the Federal government to do it right such that the courts will rule in their favor when the inevitable court cases are raised. Only this time, they will not buy the project and the proponent will end up wasting their investment spent to that point.
Alberta should just be paying lip service to the MOU, just like Carney and the Liberals are gaslighting us, and work under the table on getting any pipeline going south through Washington state just like Nutrien did with potash.
“Construction cost overruns boosted fees for shipping oil on line”
Let me clarify my statement. The pipeline is as full of oil as it is given its uncompetitiveness, having been built by the government, rather than being built the way it was originally approved for by the company that actually knows how to build pipelines. You know, the original business case.
No one is going to ship through it if there are more cost affordable means to sending oil somewhere. …Ah, now I know why the Feds won’t actually allow another pipeline to be built.
Could you please help this US citizen out and detail how being “built by the government, rather than being built the way it was originally approved for by the company that actually knows how to build pipelines.” resulted in these increased costs? I assume the pipeline WAS actually built by people who know how to build pipelines. Also, please name the last time in the Western Hemisphere a pipeline was built “by [a] company that actually knows how to build pipelines” without significant government regulation.
You seem to want unfettered capitalism, but with government power enforcing the robber baron’s desires (see your earlier post concerning stealing native land, forced taking of private property, and ignoring local wishes). Do you really think that’s going to turn out well in the long run?
Only the Sith speak in absolutes. I don’t know why having reasonable regulations/taxes vs excessive regulations/taxes can’t be a ‘reasonable’ discussion. An indicator it is excessive? When companies stop building and operating in your country and move somewhere else.
Why? Understand that ‘build’ is not just screwing in a bolt. It is also managing the project, ensuring that contracts are being met in the agreed timelines and costs, ensuring that regulations are being met, and being financially responsible among a myriad of other items that make a project successful. A key indicator is that a company building such a project actually cares how much it costs. Governments not so much.
The only reason that the government had to step in was due to the government not fulfilling their own laws in indigenous consultations. The project had already been approved prior to the courts blocking it.
Anyone saying that Canada built Alberta a pipeline for our benefit is lying. Canada screwed up their own process and had to prevent the inevitable lawsuits that Kinder Morgan and other companies would have brought forward if they didn’t buy the project from them. Then they had no choice but to build. Now they use it as “See? We are Alberta’s friend and you should be grateful for us using your own money to throw you a bone”
Canada has helped you out. 100’s of billions of dollars of projects have moved from Canada to the US due to excessive and obscure approval processes in Canada. The same process in the US could be a few years vs decades in Canada. A key reason Alberta wants to separate from Canada. So, for that reason alone you should be pro-Canada.
How about something that is not some kind of Ann Randian fantasy alternative history?
Kinder Morgan tried to do a shitty, half assed job of environmental assessment when they first proposed a trans-mountain pipeline expansion. They also did a shitty half-assed job of consulting with first nations who were on unceded land, with no treaty signed.
Regardless, the project was approved in 2016 by the federal government, and by the BC government in early 2017. The approval was subject to conditions to address potential Indigenous, socio-economic and environmental impacts, including project engineering, safety and emergency preparedness. Houston based Kinder Morgan did not like these conditions - they were hoping their shitty, half assed efforts would suffice.
So they bailed. And the federal government took over the pipeline project for the good of the country and FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALBERTA.
Yes, there were cost overruns. Partially because the government did not do a half-assed, shitty job of addressing potential Indigenous, socio-economic and environmental impacts, including project engineering, safety and emergency preparedness.
And also partly because… gee, I wonder what happened 2020 - 2023 that could have affected costs? Hmmmm that’s a tough one. Something that happened all over the world to spike costs and make major projects exceptionally difficult. Anyone? Mueller? Mueller?
I guess we should have just let Houston based Kinder-Morgan do whatever the hell they wanted, and just arrest all those damn environmentalists and First Nations troublemakers.
Then the miracle of Adam Smith would have made the pipeline cost peanuts.
Maybe actually doing the work that’s required is not something companies are a fan of?
If you think private companies are always going to do the best work for the cheapest price absent regulation, then I have a magic unicorn I can send to you and then you can be rich! I just need access to all your bank accounts.
Why is this regardless? They had a project approved and were moving forward. That you don’t like the process that was in place or that it failed to block the project, which is most likely your goal, isn’t a ‘regardless’. That was the process in place.
Whose job is it to consult with First Nations? Who did the courts find didn’t consult sufficiently with First Nations? Not Kinder Morgan. Kinder Morgan had signed agreements with many of the people along the route. Is your expectation that every single on had to be signed? How is it Kinder Morgan’s fault that the land is unceded? Again the Federal government.
And yet it wasn’t those conditions, that every project has, that caused them to leave. It was the courts saying the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT hadn’t done their consultation properly. Kinder Morgan wasn’t going to wait around for the Truedope clown show to fix the issue.
And who caused the project to be delayed? The courts and the Federal Government. As explained earlier in this or other threads with you. This also should tell you why approval processes that take decades are not things companies are going to tolerate as too much risk is introduced. But I guess you’d invest in a project that wouldn’t even start to return your investment for 15 years with the high chance market conditions will change and the government of the day has a change of heart based on the direction of the wind.
Ah, so lets spend 5x the cost to get the gold plated government run version? It must be better.
They were following regulations and standards like every company in the world does. I’m not sure how you think moving goal posts is them not following engineering standards. The project was abandoned by KM not because they weren’t going to build to the standards and regulation but because the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT hadn’t done their job!
When the company has jumped through all the hoops that they have to and finally get approval, then yes, if someone is blocking the building of that approved construction project, they can get arrested.
They didn’t jump through any hoops though. They built a business plan based on steamrolling over environmental protection, and thought they could drive a pipeline through unceded territory by offering some beads and blankets.
Then when they were told that they had to follow basic regulations, they bailed. They quit. They didn’t even try. And the federal government took over, TO HELP OUT ALBERTA. And for that, they are shat upon.
The number of orphan wells in need of cleanup nearly doubled over the last year to reach 3,388 compared to 1,719 the previous year.
The cost has surpassed one billion dollars. Who will pay for the cleanup? Taxpayers. Because the companies have gone bankrupt. (well, the companies have - the CEO’s the executives have just moved on to form another company).
Complete slander. It’s obviously the federal government’s fault that end-of-life wells are sold to companies spun up for the purpose of declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying for site remediation. If the government would just get out of the way, the well-known social conscience of oil companies would undoubtedly lead them to use a portion of their meagre profits to return well sites to pristine condition for the common good.
I hope Wilson keeps being remorseful about his idiot convoy support, and knows his “ethical obligation to be civil and express his beliefs with dignified restraint,”
And the demonization continues rather than addressing the points.
Representing clients whose rights may have been violated isn’t “supporting a movement”, it’s his duty as a lawyer, not something he has to be remorseful for. If lawyers only defended popular causes, the concept of civil liberties would be meaningless. It seemed to me he was representing his clients and defending their rights under the constitution. But only those people who support your ideas should be defended and those doing the defending must be evil i.e. right wing?