Yeah, there seems to be a pretty strong divide between the urban vs. Rural vote here too, or as I like to understand it, the educated vs. the uneducated vote.
Eh, what? Response to what? I posted about why you are seeing a lot of signs from one campaign. You’re the one stating that you see many signs, am I supposed to live on your block to confirm or dispute your claim?
Umm, doesn’t come close to answering the question I asked you.
Responding to Biffster, not Spoons.
The requirement to vote in a provincial referendum or election is residency.
Yeah and who’s paying this guy?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/stephen-harper-alberta-separatism-9.7367419
(Sorry it’s CBC, I know you’re not a fan but I thought you might be interested in the headline: Stephen Harper warns Alberta separatism will bring ‘no benefit’)
He also said this, “Whatever the results of the Alberta vote, it is incumbent upon Canada to move with immediacy and urgency to address the barriers, many self-imposed, to our long-term stability and prosperity,” Harper wrote. “It is on this objective that I believe the passion and legitimate frustration of Albertans should also remain focused.”
Do you agree with that? What will change if the vote is to remain and, more importantly, how will it happen?
I asked you if you got a special ballot or if you’re coming back to Alberta to vote. Or you won’t because you can’t, due to the residency requirement. You sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who really has no say. Interesting.
What’s the point of your post?
You’re correct that I don’t currently meet Alberta’s residency requirement, so I won’t be casting a ballot. A special ballot doesn’t change that. I’m pretty sure I stated that.
But “you can’t vote, therefore you have no say” isn’t much of an argument.
I lived in Alberta for most of my adult life, that is my home, and when/if (the ‘if’ kicks in if I unexpectedly die here) I return it will be there. Decisions about Alberta’s future are therefore hardly irrelevant to me.
Whether I can cast a ballot is a question of eligibility. Whether my argument is correct is a question of evidence. You’re answering the first because you apparently don’t want to answer the second.
So you have no skin in the game. More of a way to exercise your brain cells, like playing Sudoku. Fair enough. I just always assumed you actually live in Alberta.
What part of this did you miss?
How about the other posters in this thread? Where do they live? Or is it just that their opinions jive with yours such that you don’t care? Kind of like Lukaszuk above. As long as he gets money he doesn’t care where it comes from and feels no need to report it if it achieves his goal.
Well, I think that @Biffster and I have established our Alberta credentials: he’s in Sherwood Park and I’m in Lethbridge, both of which communities are in Alberta. I cannot speak for anybody else, of course.
I note this news item, from Saturday, October 3:
Basically, it’s about how neighbours who are on different sides of the separation debate can still get along. It’s not nearly as dire as the headline makes it sound; the neighbours still get along.
As for the referendum in total, I’ll have to have a good long look at the questions. I know about them in general, but I’d like to drill down, and understand them more specifically. Perhaps once I do, I can post an analysis.
I wasn’t expecting people to post where they’re from. I don’t think it’s relevant logically as to the question. We shouldn’t separate or stay based on emotions or national attachment.
Someone was born a meter south of the border in Montana so the US is the best. The person on the north says Canada is the best. The reality is somewhere in the middle.
Right now, it’s all theoretical, so there’s a lot of huffing and puffing. On both sides. Mean spirited at times, but still tolerable. But shit’s about to get real after October 19, especially if the seppies get some kind of freak win. People don’t like it when their actual day to day lives are affected, a distinction our little Hong Kong friend wouldn’t get to experience. It’s one thing to argue about things in theory, but it’s quite another when you actually have to live with the consequences.
I’m not as pessimistic as you, I guess, because I believe that once the seperatists are beaten down, as I expect they will be, they will complain (in Trumpian fashion) that the referendum was rigged somehow, and has no force and effect.
On the latter point, they are correct: this referendum is not binding, and has no force and effect, in any way. It’s a waste of Alberta taxpayers’ dollars, to find out what the UCP hates to admit but must: Alberta taxpayers don’t like Danielle Smith and her government, and her government’s efforts to separate Alberta from Canada.
I note that half, or just shy of half, of the questions are about immigration. Smith complains that Quebec can control its own immigration, but Alberta is not allowed to. Ha! Guess what, Danielle, Alberta can too. Under Constitution s. 95, Alberta can. That’s how Quebec controls its immigration; it selects for French-language skills, and often selects immigrants from France, Haiti, and Senegal, all French-speaking places. Nothing wrong with that. Language is not a protected ground under any human rights legislation.
Now, what about Alberta? It appears (and I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt right now), that Smith wants to select white, native English-speakers, as immigrants. No foreign languages as a first language, English only, no brown people who can speak English only with an accent, and above all: white. Sound like Trump?
Well, our Charter, federal human rights legislation, and provincial human rights legislation, prohibits selecting immigrants on the basis of colour. Here’s where Alberta’s desires conflict with Quebec’s: on the basis of colour. Quebec wants to distinguish on the basis of language (okay), while Alberta wants to distinguish on the basis of colour (not okay).
That’s about it. Alberta wants to discriminate against immigrants on prohibited grounds, contrary to human rights legislation. That tells me a lot about Danielle Smith and her goals. It’s time to put a stop to her and her goals here and now.
Can you provide a quote for that? Any evidence at all.
I was a supporter, but not much anymore. More because she believes Carney’s lies than anything else. You think she is a separatist. I know she isn’t. But I don’t think she is anymore a racist that I am. Or is the current leftist idea is that if you are a conservative you are automatically a racist and that is why you’ve made that claim?
I’ll work on the fact that Smith wants no brown or black people. Give me time.
And give up on this “leftist” concept. That’s American. Here in Canada, we’ve got Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, Greens, Bloc Quebecois, Christian Heritage, Marxist-Leninists, Communists, and a few more that I cannot remember. Anyway, they all have an equal say in our elections. When you have four or five parties represented in the federal Parliament, you don’t have “leftist” or “rightist.” You have a functioning government.
Smith is a separatist. I know that you don’t see her TV ads, being in Hong Kong as you are, but they are pretty blatant: “Do what I want or you’ll be sorry!”
Yeah, no, I do not bow to wannabe-dictators.
The wannabe dictators are the ones that rather than remove blocking regulations and laws, put themselves on a throne to make decisions on what will be allowed to progress (again likely based on the amount donated to the Liberal party ala Sponsorgate. They also take control of the media. In our case, buying them off and implementing laws restricting free speech. In Canada that applies to only one person, Carney.
No, I cannot. But it is obvious to all of us in Alberta, that she hates brown and black people.
Oh wait. You’re not in Alberta. You’re not even in Canada. Then you have no say in the matter. Suggest that you give up commentating on Canadian political matters, unless you have some sort of connection to Canada.
It appears that you do not. Goodbye.
I am Canadian and an Albertan. That I don’t live there currently is irrelevant. So, that gives me a ‘right’ to comment. Also, I’ve lived in many places in the world which gives me a perspective most don’t have especially the typical Canadian who may think visiting a Mexican resort makes them worldly. But when did a person’s location limit them from commenting about anything on this site? I think that is the mod’s ‘right’ to determine who can post and who can’t, not yours.
Frankly, if Alberta does separate, I hope people that want to limit free speech do choose to leave. We don’t need such people in Alberta.
I also understand that people are afraid of change. Many people don’t use logic to make decisions. They use their feelings and don’t like being challenged. Look at this thread. No one is willing to put any effort into making a case for Canada. They just immediately jump to the worst case for Alberta, denigrating proponents, and fear mongering, like that answers anything.
I also understand the lefts fear. They will be part of a country that would primarily be on the right politically with no Canada to protect them. I’m not sure what they should be protected from, but I think this is primarily projection on their part.
Somebody say something? I think they may have, but I’m not sure.