Yup. I’ll gladly accept that wording as identical to what I meant to say.
If Sampiro had said a handjob was sexual, but not sex,* he wouldn’t catch grief for it. But because Bricker said it’s sexual, but not sex, he must be wrong. Even though Bricker acknowledges the guy is a hypocrite and a sleazebag.
Diogenes, go fuck a splintery knothole.
- In fact, he did!
Well, one involves putting your penis in an orifice. The other doesn’t.
Well, one involves putting your penis in an orifice. The other doesn’t.
How many times will I have to say that in one day? (And even then the waiter still didn’t bring my pepper sauce.)
Actually, the precise wording of the question used in his definition did not include receiving oral sex (though it did include giving it). Receiving oral sex had actually been crossed out in the definition. Being the lawyer that he was, he saw the loophole and he took it it. No perjury.
Definition of Sex in the Jones Case
At his deposition, the President was presented with the following definition of sexual relations. The second two parts were stricken at the request of his attorney, Robert Bennett, who said they were too broad.
For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes - (1) contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person; [del](2) contact between any part of the person's body or an object and the genitals and anus of another person; or (3) contact between the genitals or anus of the person and any part of another person's body. "Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing. [/del]
From the Starr Report
On all nine of those occasions, the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts. He touched her genitals, both through her underwear and directly, bringing her to orgasm on two occasions.
He kissed her bare breasts. That fits definition #1, which is not crossed out. He touched her genitals directly. That fits definition #1, which is not crossed out.
If Sampiro had said a handjob was sexual, but not sex,* he wouldn’t catch grief for it. But because Bricker said it’s sexual, but not sex, he must be wrong. Even though Bricker acknowledges the guy is a hypocrite and a sleazebag.
Thank you.
I always hope this kind of thing is obvious to people reading it, but you have no idea how much it helps me to actually see someone confirm it.
How many times will I have to say that in one day? (And even then the waiter still didn’t bring my pepper sauce.)
What about the “harmonica method”?
Bricker, may I ask why you feel a handjob is not adulterous? Is a blowjob adulterous?
Earlier I had specified penile-orificial insertion.
Doesn’t that mean it’s impossible for lesbians to have sex?
If Sampiro had said a handjob was sexual, but not sex,* he wouldn’t catch grief for it. But because Bricker said it’s sexual, but not sex, he must be wrong. Even though Bricker acknowledges the guy is a hypocrite and a sleazebag.
Diogenes, go fuck a splintery knothole.
I argued with Sampiro just as much as Bricker. Why don’t you actually read the thread, dipshit.
Bricker, may I ask why you feel a handjob is not adulterous? Is a blowjob adulterous?
:dubious:
Again, I endorse this statement. It’s adulterous in nature. It’s not adultery.
My personal definition of sex: activities that are directly intended to lead to orgasm, whether that is actually reached or not. Handjob? Yes. Kissing? No, but possibly adulterous. Oral? Hells yeah.
And if I were married to somebody who got a handjob from anybody else, male or female, that marriage would be over. Because that’s sex in my book.
Unless there’s mutual consent between the partners – open marriage; but that’s a whole 'nother can of uh…semen? – that’s exactly where I’m at.
Just don’t get all the semantic bullcrap being played here.
If Sampiro had said a handjob was sexual, but not sex,* he wouldn’t catch grief for it. But because Bricker said it’s sexual, but not sex, he must be wrong. Even though Bricker acknowledges the guy is a hypocrite and a sleazebag.
I’ll give them both grief for it. Its a very patriarchal definition of sex…again, lesbians don’t have sex? In fact, I’ll give Sampiro more grief for it - he should know better.
My wife wouldn’t call it adultery, but my marriage would be over.
Just curious, what would she cal it and if “not adultery” why would your “marriage be over”?
In short, if you want to jerk-off to words, perhaps you should do it on your own time.
Six pages of definitions of “is.”
I don’t care if we define a Rusty Trombone as a pseudo-non-adulterous-sexual-like-relation-of-the-third-kind, it doesn’t take away from the fact that this Reker guy is a hypocritical bag of shit.
Speaking more explicitly, I consider intercourse- between gay men or a straight couple- to begin when there is orificial insertion of the penis.
I think the impeachment of Clinton was an outrage but I’d think the same thing if they’d had two kids together- it was nobody’s damned business as far as the presidency was concerned. BUT, Clinton did have sex with Monica Lewinsky- no question about that in my definition of the term- and the only way to say he didn’t was to do technical word play which is what he did. He did not commit perjury in fact but he did in spirit, though I think the outrage is he never should have been questioned on a consentual sex act to begin with.
Clinton had not built his career on preaching sexual fidelity to the world. He had other work to do.
If Sampiro had said a handjob was sexual, but not sex,* he wouldn’t catch grief for it. But because Bricker said it’s sexual, but not sex, he must be wrong.
To be fair, though, Bricker has a substantial track record of misleading and distracting quibbling about distinctions of meaning in technical terms, and Sampiro doesn’t.
So people get their hackles up more readily when arguing with Bricker over such issues. He’s like the teacher who responds to the question “Can I go to the bathroom?” with “Yes, I suppose so”, and then looks surprised when the student gets up to leave, and asks them why they’re out of their seat.
“You said I could go to the bathroom!”
“Well, I assume you CAN, but I didn’t say you MAY go to the bathroom. Are you asking whether you MAY go to the bathroom?”
That sort of shit gets old fairly fast, and tends to make people irritable. It’s the manufactured “gotcha” aspect of it that’s particularly annoying: he appears to be going along with the evidently intended meaning of what the other person’s saying, and then suddenly contradicts something about it, and when the other person goes “WTF?” he triumphantly pulls out his alternative, not previously explained, interpretation. Yeah, ha ha ha :rolleyes:.
This whole discussion about what’s sex and what’s not sex should give Rekers some sense of relief; all he has to do is to announce: “I’m not gay. I just got handjobs from a Rentboy,” and this whole kerfuffle will just fade away.
He paid how much? Then spent 10 days sharing a room . At what point can I decide Reker is lying? Oh wait, he is a religious man. He must be telling the truth. Wonder why he felt the need for a disguise?
He should have boldly announced to his flock ,that he is taking a gay escort on a 10 day vacation to an island ,to retrain him. I am sure they would have swallowed it.
Six pages of definitions of “is.”
I don’t care if we define a Rusty Trombone as a pseudo-non-adulterous-sexual-like-relation-of-the-third-kind, it doesn’t take away from the fact that this Reker guy is a hypocritical bag of shit.
The Catholic Church (which is not a gay-friendly organization, but has centuries of experience in legalistic definitions of such things) defines “sexual relations” as those which would normally include the possibility of pregnancy. Anything else would be “sexual activity” (and usually sinful).