I’m amazed that there hasn’t been a lot more violence. When you imprison people’s children, they tend to get very, VERY upset. It’s kind of strange, though. Since, according to Trump, all these illegals are criminals and the lowest form of human life, you’d think attacks against ICE would be a constant ongoing affair.
No kidding, Jasmine! I’d think the tens of millions of illegal immigrants that Trump keeps telling us are in the country already would have mounted a visible attack by now to free more people for their army!
If you truly believe this in spite of all the evidence you have been shown that not only is this different, but that the administration has advertised and bragged about how it is different, then there is no reaching you through your willful veil of ignorance.
Yes, I see now that you have fallen for the Trump school of racist thought, that actions based on discrimination are not racism, but pointing them out are. This school of thought is really only in vogue with the racists these days, as a way of trying to shut up those who are actually against the actions of racism. Now, that is what is offensive, a rhetorical trick made up by racists to defend racists by accusing the victims and opponents of racism as the real racists.
If you are truly offended, then you have fallen for this simple, yet pervasive, racist tactic, and now that your ignorance about it has been fought, you will not find offense at the next person that brings an act of racism to your attention, but rather, to the actual act of racism itself.
We are actually talking about the distinction between group affiliation and self chosen labels in this very thread.
Pro-life is a feel good label that is chosen, that is at odds with the actual policies that are desired by those who use that label, though, one that was in fact chosen so that that could disingenuously label their opposition to be pro-death. So, since pro-life is a label, not a description, then the opposite of pro-life is someone who opposes the policies espoused by them.
Just as in this thread, the actual label that HuricaneDitka is attempting to smear all liberals with is “Antifa”, which is an extremely loose and unorganized group that opposes fascism. Some of them engage in unacceptable levels of violence.
If you see, he is attempting to equate the label to the policy, insisting that anyone who is against fascism is a member of Antifa, hence all his comments of “comrade” and all.
What is your position in the thread that you started? What were you trying to accomplish with it? Your followup comments seem to indicate that you wish to smear anyone on the left as some sort of violent member of a terrorist organization. Is that what you are trying to do here?
By changing the subject, would that be using this event to try to get people to stop talking about how the president that you are supporting is putting people into inhumane conditions?
Not that weird, I’d never accuse HurricaneDitka of being a liar.
Do you think that the BLM (Bureau of land management) are tyrants? The ATF, the FBI?
The gun rights advocates on this board have assured me that they would take up arms against tyranny, that if they saw people being marched into camps, that they would put a stop to it.
Guess they just don’t see it.
Case in point…
Where does that line get drawn for you? If putting legal asylum seekers into inhumane conditions isn’t tyranny to you, what is? I know that if a few white people get hurt or shot while the ATF bungles a raid to stop their illegal weapon manufacture and sales, you would consider that to be tyrannical enough that it would be reasonable to blow up a govt building. So, in your eyes, how many non-whites does it take to equal one Sammy Weaver, in your opinion?
There is no real debate, as it’s not in a debate forum, and the OP didn’t have any substance to it whatsoever. It’s pretty much just an attempt to play the both sides game, to create a false equivalence and try to smear those who are against putting children in dog cages as the bad guys.
As I said, it is meant as a distraction from the fact that the president that this poster supports has created a policy that puts fellow human beings into inhumane conditions.
No, just the opposite. People are trying to change the subject because they are uncomfortable discussing acts of left-wing violence. Because, as I said, it doesn’t fit their narrative. Hence the flailing around trying to say ‘just because he says he’s antifa doesn’t mean he’s antifa’ and ‘nobody knows what fascism is but this isn’t it’ and ‘four restraining orders doesn’t prove anything about domestic violence’.
You tried it yourself, although not very successfully.
This is hardly new on the SDMB. Anyone who engages in politically motivated violence is horrible and proves conclusively that everyone associated with him is evil. Until it turns out that he isn’t a white supremacist. Whereupon everything instantly flips into whataboutism, attempts to confuse the issue, blanket denial in the teeth of the evidence, and ad hominems.
"Twas ever thus.
Are you opposed to flobisnok? Just yes or no. My definition of it doesn’t matter - are you opposed?
You’re literate in this language. Use the definition you most prefer, specify that definition, and tell us if you’re against fascism.
You won’t do it, of course, because when you squint a little bit, the guys on your side of the political aisle are a lot like fascists, and you don’t want to say you like fascists, because the Nazis were fascists, and you don’t want to say you don’t like fascists because it takes away the violent liberal enemy you get to pretend are important.
But anyway, you’re a perfectly literate person, and should you refuse to declare sides for or against fascism, we can all figure out why.