Any WWE fans in the audience? (Part 1)

Ok ya’ll I need some help. Convince me why I should like The Young Bucks?

I don’t know if it’s podcast fatigue or what, but I hear people talk about these guys like they’re the greatest wrestlers ever, the greatest tag team ever, and everything they touch is gold. But from what I can see, they’re just decent wrestlers who made a career by copying everything they have from other wrestlers and are rewarded for mostly just always being there. Are their matches really that good? Do they do something super-spectacular that I haven’t seen?

We’re going to be seeing them against the Hardys at Supercard of Hoor, but honestly the draw for us are the Hardys. So, tell me, why should I care about these guys so much?

True, they’re not entirely original, but they obviously have fun in the ring. They remind me of teams like the Hardys and Edge & Christian when they were in their prime. I think Steve Corino popularized screaming SUPERKIIIIIIIICK whenever they do a double superkick. They’re really easy to dislike too, because they’re basically 12-year old brats in 20-year old bodies.

They’re not the best thing on four feet, but at least you won’t be bored when they’re on.

Just got back from Smackdown in PNC Arena in Raleigh NC. Good show, but I much prefer smaller venues where my taunts and insults can be heard better. I had to park about a mile away because the venue wanted me to pay $20 to park. Fuck that noise!
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Randy Orton vs Miz w/Maryce**
I was kind of surprised this was the opening match, as it’s usually a couple of midcarders biding time till asses fill the seats. Nonetheless, Miz really worked the crowed, doing the flappy hands bit while stealing Rick Rude’s promo for Maryce to take off his sunglasses. Orton was hugely over and did all the Greek god poses. Lots of RKO teases, and the ref eventually threw Maryce out. As she left, Randy put in his Vintage Orton sequence and won with the RKO. Very basic match.

Eight man tag - Heath Slater, Rhyno, Mojo Rawley & Apollo Crews vs. Breezango and the Vaudevillains
Match started off with Heath and Fandango doing a kind of strip-off. Mojo channeled Chief Jay Strongbow at one point. Apollo got off a five-minute suplex on Tyler Breeze. Maybe Breeze can break out of midcard status some day. Heath was the perpetual victim this match, and Rhyno got a YUGE pop when he hot-tagged in. Rhyno GORES Breeze for the win and the crowd goes wild.

Kallisto vs Kurt Hawkins
Hawkins is really more of a generic heel who may as well be invisible. Kallisto pretty much made the match all by himself. K wins with the Salena Del Sol, if I remember the move name correctly.

Bray Wyatt vs Luke Harper for the WWE SD championship
This is the only decent picture I got the whole evening, but at least I got to be a firefly. THE MOVEMENT’S GROWING MAGGLE! Luke Harper is now wearing a black wife beater and looks like he’s lost about 30 pounds. Bray intimidated the ring announcer chick to always announce him as champion whenever he posed. Bray dominated most of the match. I guess Luke’s role was to put him over for WM and didn’t seem to offer much offense. Bray won with Sister Abigail. After Bray left, Luke picked up the mic, said he tried his best, then said we were looking at a future world champion.

6-Woman tag Match: Becky Lynch, Tamina and Asuka vs Alexa Bliss, Natalya & Carmella (w/James Ellsworth), Mickie James Special Guest Referee
I was glad to get to see Asuka, but I would have preferred a singles match. Still, she did her unhinged bit on Natalya and gave her a stinkface. The heels all acted like they were too scared of Tamina to take her on. Even Ellsworth ran away from her and cringed like he was confronting his worst nightmare. Carmella did her sassy bitch moves to perfection. Tamina was actually the fall guy for this match until Becky Lynch tagged in, and the place went nuclear. Becky gets the win for her team by making Alexa submit. Really good match. One guy in the audience held up a sign that had Asuka’s name and his phone number underneath.

Dean Ambrose vs Baron Corbin for the IC title
One thing I noticed about Dean is that he’s always vibrating, or staggering like the Drunken Master. He’s really committed to his role of unhinged mental patient. Corbin does a lot of scowling and telling the audience to shut up. Here’s his attempt to superflex Dean. Corbin got DQed when he hit Dean with a folding chair, and tried to damage Dean some more until the Savior of Misbehavior reversed his attack into Dirty Deeds. His music started playing immediately upon completing his finisher.

AJ Styles vs John Cena in a Raleigh Street Fight
Cena easily got the loudest pop of the night. He’s not turning heel any time soon. AJ got some respectable heat as well. These two are masters of their craft. They managed to work this match without taking any sick bumps or using too much plunder. Guess they didn’t want to risk getting injured for WM. Cena wins with the sideways body slam through a table.

Best face heat: Cena by a long shot, Randy Orton, Becky Lynch, Slater, Rhyno
Best heel heat: Miz most definitely, Carmellsworth, Natalya, Bray, Corbin

My 9 year old son and I had a great time at the match, which was the first live match for both of us. Thought I’d give a viewpoint from someone who doesn’t watch nearly as often as most of you but enjoys having something to share with my son. I’m sure a lot of my terminology isn’t standard here so I hope you understand what I mean.

Randy Orton vs Miz w/Maryce
The Miz was fun to watch and really hammed it up more than when I’ve seen him on TV. The crowd was really into it from the start chanting for Orton while Miz kept running out of the ring to escape from him. Fun start to the night.

Eight man tag - Heath Slater, Rhyno, Mojo Rawley & Apollo Crews vs. Breezango and the Vaudevillains
This was one of my favorite matches from the night. I like the Vaudevillains as heels. That’s a fun shtick. I’m not sure I get Breezango though. Are they supposed to be strippers who also wrestle? A villiage people cover band who got lost on their way to a concert?

My favorite part of this match was when Rawley was working with one of the Vaudevillains. They really worked well with each other and sold the hits.

I’ve seen Apollo Crews a few times and he always seems like he should put on more impressive matches than he does. He has a great look but maybe he’s not as good with the moves? I don’t know, you tell me.

Watching this match it felt like these were guys who really wanted to impress the crowd and were working their asses off to put on a good show. With each tag in the crowd got more and more pumped up and excited. All the wrestlers were working their rolls even when they weren’t in the ring. If it were basketball I’d say they had great movement away from the ball. This fan appreciated it.
Kallisto vs Kurt Hawkins
The two wrestling leagues I’ve watched in the last year are WWE and Lucha Underground. I like Lucha more so it wasn’t surprising that I thought Kallisto was fun to watch.

Both the wrestlers were really interacting with the crowd during this match. (At least more than the other matches on the card last night. I’m sure it wasn’t as much as at the smaller arenas.) And I thought that was fun.

They set up a trampoline for Kallisto to make his entrance and he did a flip right over the top rope from the ramp. Later he did a cool move where we flew headfirst into the ropes and did a flight on the rebound.

The David and Goliath aspect of this match with the little guy Kallisto against the big Hawkins was a fun aspect.

I didn’t think the crowd gave this match as much cheering as it deserved, but I guess at this point their adrenaline was starting to wear off as they settled in for the show.
Bray Wyatt vs Luke Harper for the WWE SD championship
This match was a bit of a disappointment to me. My son had fun being a firefly during Bray’s entrance which was good.

After that it seemed like for the first 2/3rds of the match these were two guys who had someplace better to be. They’d throw a few punches then Harper would lie on the mat for awhile while Wyatt posed. Also from the start of the match Harper was acting like he’d already been beat up back stage or something and was staggering around the ring.

Finally for the last 5 minutes they showed some spark and threw some moves at each other.

6-Woman tag Match: Becky Lynch, Tamina and Asuka vs Alexa Bliss, Natalya & Carmella (w/James Ellsworth), Mickie James Special Guest Referee
After the Wyatt match this was a complete shift in mood. It was colorful, the wrestlers were energetic, it was a lot of fun.

Mickie James was the “Guest Referee” for the match and started things off by showing off how cute her referee costume was. Love Asuka’s cape, I know my daughter would want one if she saw it.

I thought Ellsworth did a great job playing to the crowd through the whole match. You don’t see him much during televised matches, but he really never stopped either working the crowd, interfering with he match, hamming it up with the wrestlers. He was fun to watch. The crowd loved it when Carmella took her gum out of her mouth and handed it to Ellsworth who popped it right into his own mouth.

The part Knowed Out mentioned where the heels all acted scared of Tamina was great. I think at one point two of them actually picked up a third and threw her into the ring so she’d have to fight Tamina and then ran away when she tried to tag out.

The match ended when Alexa upset Referee Mickie James. Mickie hit her from the front while Becky hit her with a chop block from behind setting up the submission. I thought that was a fun twist.
Dean Ambrose vs Baron Corbin for the IC title
About what you’d expect from this match. I enjoyed it but nothing surprising other than Corbin has, I’m not sure how to describe it, a lot more Ring Presence than I expected. I was surprised how much larger he was than Ambrose. A good straightforward match with a folding chair sitting in the corner like Checkov’s Gun until it was finally used by Corbin earning him the DQ.

One note here. I noticed that after their matches both Ambrose and Becky Lynch spent a lot of time with the fans, shaking hands, taking selfies, and signing posters on their way out of the ring. Even though Ambrose was “injured by a folding chair” so he was holding his stomach as he staggered around he made up up and down both sides of the ramp and around part of the ring before finally heading out. Lynch did the same and also tracked down a girl in Becky Lynch cosplay to make sure her family got a photo of the two of them together. Kudos to them.
AJ Styles vs John Cena in a Raleigh Street Fight
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this match. Both wrestlers really worked hard and put on a good show and Cena is an impressive specimen of humanity in person. He made everyone else in the building feel flabby.

By my count they destroyed a folding chair, three tables, a metal crowd barrier, and found the opportunity to each knock each other down with the Microphone (which my son called a new type of Mic Drop). They were working in and out of the ring, up and down the ramp, and were even rolling equipment cases at each other.

At one point Cena picked up one of the metal staircases and threw it at Styles. Style jumped out of the way and it ended up sailing onto the ramp, landing right between two security guards, where it landed with a satisfying clang. I’m wondering what OSHA has to say about that one.

Cena threw Styles through a table to end the night and the crowd went home satisfied.

Nice job WWE. You earned my ticket money tonight.

Thanks for filling in the gaps I forgot, Pixel Dent.

Re: Breezango, Fandango started the prancing pony gimmick a few years ago. It caught fire for a while, then fizzled back out. When Tyler Breeze came up from NXT, he had a similar gimmick as a supermodel/wrestler. He didn’t get far either in the main roster either. It made sense to team them together, so they kind of melded into the Fashion Police, who hand out tickets to those they deem not properly fashionable.

Agree with your opinion of Apollo. He’s obviously talented and capable, but he’s missing something. They started off with portraying him as the child of refugees who had to struggle to make it in America, but it didn’t make him a “fun” character. Maybe he’ll find his niche later.

OK. I got that they were giving out tickets but wasn’t sure why. That makes sense now.

Umm, not my favorite gimmick but I’m sure there are people who love it.

On a lark, we decided to check out the secondary market for Smackdown tickets.
$18! for basically the same seats we had for the Rumble (except on the other side). We couldn’t pass that up.

So looks like I’m going to the Smackdown after Mania! Makes me happy because Smackdown completes our WWE circuit. We’ve been to RAW, Smackdown, a house show and a PPV (2 of em now). Also been to NXT house shows, tapings and a Takeover. The completionist in me loves it!

Well, unless they announce any more matches on Smackdown tomorrow, we’re currently looking at thirteen matches for WrestleMania 33, which as it stands is likely to run even longer than the nearly seven-hour-long slog we had last year.

Time for some predictions and/or general musings!

  • Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg for the Universal Championship. This is the scheduled main event, so it better last longer than two minutes. The scuttlebutt was that Goldberg was going to drop the belt to Brock and leave the company, but I’ve read that WWE is now open to him working more dates, so it’s possible he retains here. Brock’s contract is also up after this match, so maybe having him win the belt would be an enticement to keep him around. I really don’t see what they can do with him as champ that they didn’t do in 2014-2015, though.

If I were booking, I’d probably do a WrestleMania IX finish here - Brock wins a quick match, then Paul Heyman gets on the mic, says that his client came here for a fight, and issues an open challenge to anyone in the locker room who wants a shot at the Beast. Out comes a top babyface (Cena, or Bryan, or Shinsuke Nakamura, or an unexpectedly returning CM Punk) to have a competitive match with Brock and win the title at the end.

  • Bray Wyatt vs. Randy Orton for the world championship. IMO, Bray should retain here - this whole storyline with Orton has built up a lot of momentum for him, and he should really be taking the Undertaker’s place as “creepy supernatural super-over guy” as 'Taker’s career winds down. It’s possible they have Randy win, but again, I don’t see what he could do as champion that he hasn’t already done, so I’ll bet on Bray.

  • Bayley vs. Sasha Banks, Charlotte Flair, and Nia Jax, elimination match for the Raw womens’ title. Bayley winning here would be the feel-good moment of the night, so that’s what I’m gonna predict happens.

  • Alexa Bliss vs. Mickie James, Carmella, Natalya, Becky Lynch, and (TBD) for the Smackdown women’s title. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Asuka becomes the sixth competitor and wins the title the night after she inevitably drops the NXT title to Ember Moon.

  • Baron Corbin vs. Dean Ambrose for the IC championship. A win here would cement Corbin as a top-tier heel, and the office doesn’t seem to have a lot of faith in Ambrose despite his popularity with the crowd, so I’ll bet on Corbin taking the belt.

  • Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho for the US championship. Owens should definitely win here - I believe Jericho’s current run is ending after 'Mania, and as hard as WWE tries to keep him heel, he’s definitely the babyface in this feud.

  • Bullet Club vs. Sheamsaro and Enzo Amore & Colin Cassady, triple threat for the Raw tag titles. If ever there was a time for Enzo & Cass to become champions, this is it. If it doesn’t happen here, it’s never happening, and in a year they’ll be doing jobs on Main Event before ultimately being released and winding up in ROH. I don’t see Sheamsaro winning again, and it’s possible the Club retains, but I don’t think they should with Raw’s tag roster being so thin.

  • Austin Aries vs. Adrian Neville for the cruiserweight championship. Aries is making his PPV debut at WrestleMania. He has to win here. They’ve been teasing a feud between Neville and Tyler Bate, so I’m gonna predict Aries wins the belt thereby freeing Neville up to contest for the UK championship.

  • Triple H vs. Seth Rollins, “non-sanctioned” match. (Only in WWE would you book a contract-signing segment for a match that’s supposedly non-sanctioned, but I digress.) Obviously this match is going to revolve around Trips working Seth’s knee and threatening him with a sledgehammer. In the end, Seth should go over, ideally with a Pedigree, for another big feel-good/passing-the-torch moment.

  • Roman Reigns vs. the Undertaker. Roman wins, 'Taker retires, and the audience goes feral and burns the stadium to the ground. (I’m exaggerating, but only a little.)

  • John Cena & Tits Bella vs. the Miz and Maryse. I hate the way WWE does mixed tag matches - it’s basically two singles matches happening at the same time, where only one actually gets a finish. It ruins the strategy of tagging in and out to wear down an opponent since your opponent switches out too, and it completely kills any possibility of doing a hot tag since it doesn’t matter which wrestler makes it to their corner first.

But I digress.

CENAWINSLOL, he proposes to Tits in the middle of the ring after the victory, and they wrap up the segment with a Live Sex Celebration.

  • The “Everyone on the Card Gets a Payday” Memorial Battle Royal. I’m gonna say it comes down to Braun Strowman and Luke Harper, and Harper gets the win.

  • AJ Styles vs. Shane McMahon. Shane-O-Mac has two reasons to be in the ring these days; to take goddamn insane bumps they’d never let a full-time wrestler do, and to put people over. AJ wins.

It’s possible they could announce another match on Smackdown tomorrow - possibly an AA vs. Usos rematch for the tag titles. I’d pick AA to win that one.

I just hope nobody was planning on getting anything done on Sunday.

Gah, after NXT Takeover the night before, WM is going to be so much bloat. I guess Finn and Samoa Joe are going to be relegated to the AtGMBR, and/or possibly get involved in the HHH/Seth showdown.

If Finn had a match, his entrance would would be Avatar level.

Latest Rumor mill note is that Eva Marie’s contract expires soon and will not be renewed. She’ll fit in great in TNA. Although if I had to make a guess, she doesn’t want to wrestle anymore because it just wasn’t worth it to her, the hate and all. I never hated her as much as everyone else did, but it’s kinda whatever to me that she’s leaving.

Arguably the match that had the most potential, the cruiserweight match, is now the pre-show match. Too bad, I think that REALLY could have been a show stealer.

I think it was moved there because the RAM tag-team three way was moved to the main show. The match is now a ladder match and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a ladder match because there might be another team involved. Maybe a certain set of brothers… (I’m only semi-joking. A person on a facebook group I’m a part of has “an extremely reliable source” that says the hardys are debuting at 'Mania and then becoming “broken” at RAM).

Wasn’t that the thing that pretty much ruined WrestleMania IX?

If they’re both leaving, how about ending with the ring collapsing? They haven’t done that in a while.

Then again…

But…but…Charlotte is supposed to get a push - the WWE Annual Report Cover told me!

As I was saying, “Then again…” I can see Cena holding off on the marriage proposal…until after he wins the Universal Title and breaks Ric Flair’s record for most world titles.

For that matter, if that’s the direction they go in, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cena & Nikki lose to Miz & Maryse; remember that Hogan lost a tag-team match earlier in the night at WrestleMania IX.

The last thing I read is that Brock is not only not leaving after WM, he’s going to be less of a part timer and closer to a regular since he’s done with UFC. Not entirely a regular, but he’s got nothing better going on and his body can handle more work, unlike some of the other part timers.

Goldberg may or may not resign, although if he did I would think WWE would do their damndest to keep it a secret so as to swerve the fans by having Goldberg win again.

I’m still having issues with the idea that Brock will win quickly. I can see him winning, but a quick win makes no sense given what they’ve been building up to. For the first time ever, Brock needs to overcome the odds here. And if Goldberg can’t work a ten minute match this shouldn’t be the main event.

My REALLY lame and uncertain prediction? Goldberg wins in a squash again.

I would love if this happened but it he’s not coming back as long as as Vince’s idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law are around.

Usos come out and issue an open challenge…

DELETE DELETE DELETE

Boom! New champs.

Wrestlemania is NOT the priority at the Cell Site on Sunday. MLB is back Sunday night and my beloved Cardinals take on the not-so-lovable losers from the Northside. Wrestlemania is relegated to the iPad.

Based on the set pictures I’ve seen, seven hours is about how long it will take the Undertaker to get to the ring.

Yeah, probably not. Still, the reason Punk walked out in the first place was because Vince took him out of the 'Mania 30 main event in favor of Batista, and a main event 'Mania match is the one thing he never had, so it could happen.

WrestleMania IX was doomed the instant they sent JR onstage in a toga. :slight_smile:

The finish didn’t ruin Wrestlemania 9 so much as how they did it and who they chose to do it. It shouldn’t have been Hogan, the match should have been longer(not long, but like three minutes would be appropriate), and the entrant should have been a surprise yet one the fans could get behind. Since Michaels’ and Harts’ careers were so intertwined and Michaels was clearly behind Hart at this time, having Michaels run down and superkick Yokozuna out of the stadium would have been cool.

WCW did a similar thing with Sting making an open challenge at the end of a Halloween Havoc and Goldberg came out. The match they had was quick but not instantaneous the way WM9 was and it was well received by fans. So of course WCW ruined it by taking the title off Goldberg on a technicality the next Nitro. I’m sure if the fans had viciously turned on Goldberg at Havoc he would have held the belt for the next two years.

Nice job WWE. You earned my ticket money tonight.
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and gave my grandson a night to remember.

Mauro was out for the 3rd week, and the announcers didn’t mention him. I hope he’s not placed on permanent leave or anything. Depression once laid me out of work for a week, but that was before meds.

I’m hearing talks that he may be let go/fired…but isn’t that illegal? Depression (especially severe enough to miss work) is a medical issue, and you can’t get fired for medical issues I believe.

I’m trying to think of a way for the final two matches to happen at 'Mania and not have all 70k of us rush the ring in anger.

Reigns and 'Taker is just doomed to fail. Taker can’t wrestle long enough for the match to be good, and Reigns isn’t skilled enough to make his opponents look good. I think he’s a good wrestler, don’t get me wrong, but he doesn’t have AJ Styles/Cena levels of “make the other guy look good”. Reigns winning would just piss everyone off and him losing would be pointless. Taker needs to win and then just retire already, or lose and retire I guess…

The advertised main event is Brock and Goldberg (even though I’ve heard Reigns/Taker is taking this spot), and I feel that no matter who wins, the crowd will be pissed. Brock’s just going to Brock his way through everyone ho-hum after a victory and I don’t want to see an absent champion, and Goldberg’s matches are too short for his own good, and another squash would definitely send everyone home pissed. And this is from a Goldberg fan!

The match’s only saving grace, unfortunately, is to be a long-ish match. I don’t need a 25 min classic, but AT LEAST 10 min of actual wrestling. Then we at least saw a show, ya know? It’s actually kinda sad that this match is one of the few with real mystery behind it…and it’s the one people hate the most. I think the only way to salvage a squash (either way) would be to have the bell ring, the winner gloat with the belt, the crowd boo for a bit, then hit the lights and enter the Demon. They stare at each other or point or something…then it’s done.

In other news, my Saturday just got a whoooole lot busier (maybe). I just learned that there is a free DDP Yoga session, taught by the man himself, Saturday morning. It’s first come, first serve…so hopefuilly we can make it. Then it’s going from there to a live podcast of our favorite show (Ring Rust Radio), then to Lakeland for Supercard of Honor. Yikes!

Anyone watching the Hall of Fame tonight?

I might if I’m bored, otherwise I don’t usually watch it.