ARE ALL GUYS SELFISH BUGGERS? CONTINUED/ REVISED

GEEZ! You buggers are such nitpickers!
NOW, I’ve had to EDIT the original post to pacify the feelings of the rabid anti-everything, the deliberate combatants looking for a fight, the fanatical feminists ALWAYS finding a flaw in what a man says, the quasi-spiritual who seem to read things into posts that are not there in the first place, along with the primitives, the ‘earthy’, then just plain obnoxious and the obtuse as well as those who seem to enjoy reading only things out of context so they can slam someone.
I listen to talk radio and I read many different articles plus I am on many different message boards from time to time. (I avoid chat rooms because the ‘kidz’ become pain in the asses.) Plus, I correspond with a lot of people via e-mail.

Topics concerning women and men in sex have COME UP AGAIN AND AGAIN and GUYS, most girls FIGURE the male part of the biological sexual couplet is selfish.

So, I’ve had to write out what a GOOD man sees when having sexual congress with a woman. NOTICE, I stated GOOD MAN, because I am fully aware of the guys (and gals), who hump away with their main fixation only between their legs. (Not that there is anything wrong with that now and then.) THIS IS ONLY FROM THE MAN’S POINT OF VIEW AND DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT HE WOULD BE DOING FOR HIS PARTNER. IT IS ASSUMED THAT IF HE IS THIS PERCEPTIVE, THEN HE WOULD BE SEEING TO HIS PARTNERS NEEDS. (GOT IT? THIS IS NOT SELFISH, NOT EGOCENTRIC AND SO ON. THIS IS JUST ONE PART OF A VIEW.)

(GEEZ! NITPICKERS OF THE SDMB UNITE!)

So, for all of you women who figure guys are ONLY turned on by tits and ass, please read on. I will keep this VERY CLEAN AS IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A SMUTTY POST.

(GOT THAT LAST PART?)

I’ve C&P’d an e-mail to a lady caller who complained about guys on the 92.7 WZZR talk show, the ‘Lunch Hour.’ (You can listen from the web.)

Subj: Doggie style – from ZZR??
Date: 11/23/99
To: zzrjill(CENSORED)

(In ref. to her comment about ‘doggie style.’)
Well, lets try to explain it somewhat seriously aside from the Lunch Hour.

Quite a few guys – and I’m one – get a different sensation when doing it that way. Plus, they get a different view of the female form, along with the impact of the cheeks along their upper groin.

There is something both pleasant and stimulating about the gentle swell of a woman’s hips, followed by the narrow waist and curving into the wider shoulders, when viewed from that position. Plus, he has the ability to touch the woman’s thighs and enjoy that sensation as well. When the woman has long hair, he gets to enjoy the cascade of it VISUALLY across her head and down along her shoulders. If she raises her head, it adds to the visual stimulation and if she turns it, he gets to admire the soft lines of her face.

He can hold her by the ‘ass’ and feel the firm/soft sensation of the underlying muscles and ‘pull’ her into him, which combines a great many sensations. Plus, he can hold her by the waist, just above the flare of the hips and enjoy touching the always strong muscles there.

It is awkward for a man to reach under and fool with the CLITORIS ( better than joy buzzer?) but a good man will do it frequently for the woman in such a position. Plus, the doggie style position INCREASES the tightness of the woman and, for a tall man, stimulation often is applied more to the top of his member. (If SIZE counts for the woman, and he is not MASSIVE, it increases the pleasure for her also.)

Men are very visual. Many of us enjoy various aspects of the female form in different positions. Many of us enjoy not only the front but looking at a woman’s back. (Like when she is on top and facing his feet) He sees the shoulders, the width of the torso, the smoothness of the skin, sometimes the slight bulge of the breasts, followed by the gentle and attractive swell of the hips and buttocks and the smooth curves of the thighs.

Facial splooging. Ummm, I don’t know of many guys who actually like to do that, nor many who like to do it out of the two or three available openings. I hear a lot about it and, of course, it just has to be in porn pix.

I forgot to mention a few other things concerning guys and sex.

Good guys, and not those just interested in dumping their load as fast as possible, watch for many things in their partner.(NOTICE, I SAID WATCH, WHICH INDICATES THAT HE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO ALL OF HIS LADY.) Especially the face, if they are on the bottom. They’ll notice if the woman is slightly smiling, if her eyes are closed and how her hair falls around her face, even if the hair is back lit by some soft room lighting. "Big or puffy’ hair can hang around a woman’s face like an ethereal halo, shining, sparkling and accenting her looks tremendously. (The woman who takes extra time to do her hair before sex, in my book, is a real PLUS!)

The closer they get to orgasm, the more RADIANT THE WOMAN WILL LOOK TO THEM. Most guys will not consciously realize this and the more they like or care for the woman, the more powerful that ‘glow’ gets. They will also notice the way the breasts hang and swing, the set to the woman’s shoulders, the curve along her sides to the swelling of the hips and down to the shape and form of the thighs and legs. Especially the ass. Even the feet - how they are positioned and what they look like. They will notice the flatness or softness of the abdomen, the smoothness and texture of the skin and even the way the muscles flex. They will EVEN NOTICE, SUBCONSCIOUSLY, painted toenails. (UMM, WHERE DOES IT STATE HERE THAT THIS HAS TO BE A MUST?)

(A lot of this kinda goes by the wayside if they are thoroughly crocked.)

You’ll find that less than handsome men have a tendency to appreciate the visual and tactile aspects to sex with a woman more than guys who are ‘hunks’ because they don’t get laid as often and a guy who is single and gets it when he wants it tends to be jaded. (The same with beautiful women who have no problem in getting men.)

A man notices the scent and smell of a woman, her hair wash, her perfume and even the soap she used to bath with. A good perfume can linger in his hindbrain long after the act is over. (The scent of herbal essence green apples shampoo STILL reminds me of a girl I knew over 20 years ago.)

A man is very tactile during sex, though he might not know it. The softness of a woman’s skin is a turn on. Especially the flat of the stomach, the firmness of the waist, the inner parts of the thighs and the curve of the buttocks. He can even tell the texture of, well ‘IN THERE’ [THE VAGINAL OPENING] – you know (mainly digitally). Some women are smooth, some are sorta coarse, some are ‘slightly bumpy’ and some are a combination. (Didn’t know that did ya?)

[NO. A LOT OF WOMEN DID NOT KNOW THAT MEN COULD DETECT THE DIFFERENCE IN TEXTURE IN THEIR VAGINAL ORIFICES.] (There, is that stated better for you?)

He can even tell how ‘hot’ you are in there. If you pass out, believe it or not, you’ll stay wet, but cool off considerably. (NOT that some guys often mind a whole bunch.) [This was meant to be a bit of dry humor, based on many stories told to me while listening to men in therapy.]

A good man will note the texture of your hair, the scent of whatever you washed it with, feel the curve and line of your skull and the density of the muscles of your neck there. He will very powerfully note the softness and lines of your cheeks, the curve and shape of your lips, even the shape and feel of your EARS as well as the lines of your eyebrows. (Women, it was reported in a journal of medicine some time ago, actually have small glands around their lips which produce a chemical that the man absorbs during a kiss. This stuff is apparently mildly narcotic and encourages him to want more. I have not been able to follow up on further reports of this phoneme to verify.)

[OK, grumblers, this was an observation based on an article in the JAMA some years back, which I found interesting but I also stated that I had read nothing further about it since.]
Have him lightly stroke the UNDERSIDES of your b

Perhaps it won’t be shut down, Mark.

But I think you have a very distorted view of sex and of women.

-andros-

ANDROS:

Explain and define, please.


Mark
“Think of it as Evolution in action.”

Uh, Mark? Your thread was, uh, not shut down. It was sent to MPSIMS, where it should have been in the first place. You know, Mundane, Pointless Stuff I Must Share?

But that’s OK. I’ll enjoy the responses here more.

So I’m glad you’re an idiot.


Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine

Okay, it’s kinda slow around here today, so I just wanted to say that I don’t plan on reading that post up there. The last one made my brain hurt.

wait, let’s try that again…

OKAY… it’s kinda slow around here TODAY, so I just wanted TO EXPRESS (that’s better than SAY don’t you think. GEEZ!) that I DON’T PLAN on reading that POST up THERE. THE last one made MY brain hurt.

Based on that post, it seems to me that you objectify women and place too much importance on appearance. I find that to be an unhealthy attitude.

Are you married, Mark?

He used to be. Then she went and got fat, and he divorced her.

Rich

If I see one more MarkSerlin thread regarding his weirdness with women pop up on my screen I shall be forced to pull my eyes out of my head, put them in a FedEx package, and ship them to a dark storage room in Assboink, Idaho, just so they can have something more interesting and intelligent to look at until the sun explodes (which I would also rank higher on my list of things I would rather go through than reading a MarkSerlin post.)


Well, shut my mouth. It’s also illegal to put squirrels down your pants for the purposes of gambling.

Idiot…
nothing more i can say…Idiot…

Well maybe I will second Leslie’s Creep!

King Clueless (that’s YOU, Mark!), I’m going to try to clear this up for you. AGAIN.

Despite the merit of the individual points of your OP (I think most of it is crap, but hey, that’s just my opinion), people did not really get that pissed about your ‘advice,’ exactly. No one is mad about the language, it’s the attitude with which you presented your pearls of wisdom. Here, I think, are the reasons most people were offended by your post:

  1. You seem to think you’re in a position to give sex advice. None of us has any reason to believe that you’re exactly a font of knowledge.

  2. Your only concerns seem to be things that make YOU get your rocks off, but you don’t think that that is selfish

  3. No one asked you, so we can only believe that your post was somehow supposed to impress us. By what? The fact that you claim to have had sex, and you can spew out a bunch of details that you could’ve just as easily noticed while watching porn?

  4. You fixate on a woman’s appearance to a ridiculous degree. You also insinuate that you know more about women’s bodies than we do.

  5. You apparently think that sex is nothing more than a mechanical act, and it is made special by things like cologne, make-up and douching. You mention nothing of the connection between two people, of passion, of love - or even lust, of intimacy… none of the things that REALLY make sex special.

  6. You’re an ill-informed, self-important jagoff. You took paragraphs and paragraphs to answer your OP, when you could have summed it up with this: “Are all Men Selfish in Bed? I don’t know, but I sure am!” See how easy that was?

So, quit it with the persecution complex. There’s no conspiracy here to torment you. If you can’t post in a less condescending way, you’re going to get criticized. I’m not surprised, though, that you don’t have the balls to take it. You wouldn’t have posted something that was SUCH a desperate cry for validation of your sexual prowess if you were at all secure in your sexuality. It’s unfortunate that your neediness prevents you from developing real relationships with other people.

I don’t think it’s unfortunate for the other people. . .

Rich

You all better be nice to Marky, otherwise he’ll get all of his imaginary friends to come say mean things to you.


>^,^<
KITTEN
Please tell your pants it’s not polite to point.

Geez Diane. Don’t you get sick of using that? You have used it atleast three times in the recent past. And one time I know for a fact you were wrong. Since, I was one of the people you accused of being Contestant 3 way back when.
There is so many other ways to attack his argument, this claim that anyone who argues along with him is just him in disguise is dumb. I am not sticking up for what he says, just for this attack on his imaginary friends.

Now. As far as Mark goes. I dont get the hair thing. Why do you like them to have their hair done? Doesn’t it get messed up pretty quickly?

pat

Boy, I certainly wish I knew more about the codes here to do more than just use brackets or capitols to emphasize things with.

Conclusion: The SDMB is just as full of argumentative, narrow minded, stupid, bigoted and arrogant posters as are most of the other boards on the net.

I moved the post here, so I can speak more openly to the stupid bastards who reply to my topic without much fear of getting kicked off.

ANDROS:
[Based on that post, it seems to me that you objectify women and place too much importance on appearance. I find that to be an unhealthy attitude.
Are you married, Mark?]

Is it not perfectly clear in the post, especially at the beginning, that I am stating what a man sees when coupling with a woman that many women seem to feel that he does not? Objectify? How can it be so when during the act all of these things are combined almost subconsciously and subliminally to form one, great experience? If you’ll note, I DID NOT include things like personalities -his or hers - or emotional responses because the post concerns only PART of the act. How long have you had problems with reading?

MULLINATOR: Bite me! I have not ASKED you to read nor to comment on my posts nor has anyone FORCED you do so. So, get your head out of your anal orifice and go back to pressing your personal insecurities onto someone else.

VALERIEBLAISE:
[1. You seem to think you’re in a position to give sex advice. None of us has any reason to believe that you’re exactly a font of knowledge.

('Kay. Where, exactly, did I state this? If you perceived it, then perhaps you are reading something into it which is not there, probably based on some hidden insecurities of your own.)

  1. Your only concerns seem to be things that make YOU get your rocks off, but you don’t think that that is selfish

(Was it NOT STATED several times in the post that this was only ONE of many sides? Read the condensed version for IDIOTS. Was it not stated that this was ONLY a MANS view and not ALL of it at that?)

  1. No one asked you, so we can only believe that your post was somehow supposed to impress us. By what? The fact that you claim to have had sex, and you can spew out a bunch of details that you could’ve just as easily noticed while watching porn?

(BOY! Talk about being irrelevant. In the initial post, it was pointed out that I responded to a statement made by a woman and had heard many other statements of a similar type. No where did I state or elude that the post was from personal experience. You’re just looking for a reason to fight.)

  1. You fixate on a woman’s appearance to a ridiculous degree. You also insinuate that you know more about women’s bodies than we do.

(Point out where I insinuate this. Actually, I probably DO know more about a woman’s body than you do, having had to study it, as well as men’s, inside and out, for a past career in medicine. Again, there was NO FIXATION mentioned but rather a visual appreciation experienced by most men. MEN, if you recall my initial statements, are VERY VISUAL. Exactly, what do you not understand here? I take it from this post that when you couple with your guy that you shut your eyes and don’t even admire his body or his form, don’t feel his muscles moving, don’t smell his soap, his aftershave, ignore the texture of his hair or the slight bristle of his beard against your cheek. This is all done automatically by both sexes. I pointed out that I was concentrating on only one aspect of this experience.)

  1. You apparently think that sex is nothing more than a mechanical act, and it is made special by things like cologne, make-up and douching. You mention nothing of the connection between two people, of passion, of love - or even lust, of intimacy… none of the things that REALLY make sex special.

(I stated that I was not dealing with those parts of the act in the very beginning. I was not ignoring them, though I find it curious to find that you think I was.)

  1. You’re an ill-informed, self-important jagoff. You took paragraphs and paragraphs to answer your OP, when you could have summed it up with this: “Are all Men Selfish in Bed? I don’t know, but I sure am!” See how easy that was?

(That was not the intention of the post. Your irrational hostility is showing.)

So, quit it with the persecution complex. There’s no conspiracy here to torment you. If you can’t post in a less condescending way, you’re going to get criticized. I’m not surprised, though, that you don’t have the balls to take it. You wouldn’t have posted something that was SUCH a desperate cry for validation of your sexual prowess if you were at all secure in your sexuality. It’s unfortunate that your neediness prevents you from developing real relationships with other people. ]

(MMMM deep thinking here, but inaccurate. You are allowed your opinion, warped as it is. From your response, I suspect that your own sex life is less than what you desire, so you lash out at me for stating what you secretly want. Typical displaced anger response.)

DIANE:
[Ah! The AGITATOR is back, taking her hostilities out on me because of a personality conflict and her irrationally perceived superiority.]


Mark
“Think of it as Evolution in action.”

PIRCCIAR:
[They’ll notice if the woman is slightly smiling, if her eyes are closed and how her hair falls around her face, even if the hair is back lit by some soft room lighting. "Big or puffy’ hair can hang around a woman’s face like an ethereal halo, shining, sparkling and accenting her looks tremendously. (The woman who takes extra time to do her hair before sex, in my book, is a real PLUS!)]

I, personally, enjoy it when a woman puffs up her hair, IF she has it in one of those ‘lioness’ styles, because it makes it look a bit softer, but it is not a major thing. (A previous girlfriend taught me that.) Yes, it does get messed up some, but the THOUGHT of her doing that FOR ME made it special. I was pleased with her thoughtfulness. I responded by going and combing my own hair to loosen up the stiff hairspray I use normally. She appreciated that. She also freshened her make-up, which I also thought was charming. (I just LOVE the exotic eye liners girls use and the colorful eye shadow, but it is not a required thing.)

I do know men who REQUIRE that their women wear things like garters, thigh high hose, girdles – or whatever those things are called that go from crotch to breasts and fit tightly and are usually black, and so on. Madonna likes to wear them.

Are there things which your significant other likes you to do, from time to time, prior to a sexual encounter? Some guys like the girl to wear high heels. Some girls like the guy to wear those TINY grape smugglers that are laughingly called briefs.

Each person has a different set of things which turn them on. Most couples experiment to find a happy medium.


Mark
“Think of it as Evolution in action.”

Geez mark, you’ve been here over a month, and you dont know how to do the codes…

You are a moron, or just fucking lazy.

All the best trolls can use the codes…are not at least as clever as the fucking horn dogg?

rolling my eyes I dont claim to be the sharpest nail in the box,** but I seem to have mastered the basics!**
so I quote

Here is a hint you dont deserve…go to the forum :" About this message board".

Hmm.

Well, I have a thought that I’d like to share with everyone. It’s related to what Mark said, but not in direct response to what he said. He mentions above a few things he likes his girlfriend to do before sex, and some things she like him to do beforehand. Reading that, I wonder if perhaps, when you can look into your SO’s eyes, and see them without the makeup, fluffed hair, or any other artificial covering, if maybe then, you have transcended beauty, and still feel that true emotional bond, any just maybe, you’ve found real love.

Just a thought.


SanibelMan - My Homepage
I could be doing something, but… why?

Sanibel, you’ve been lying to us. You are NOT 16 years old. There’s just no way.

I swear upon my Driver’s License that I was born 11/15/83.

Mark, One thing that I find disturbing is the way you seem to be setting your self up as the spokeman for the male gender. “I’m pointing out the MAN’S perspective”, “I’m just telling you how it is for MEN.” It’s like you think you know more about the men we fuck than we do just because y’all both have a penis. This is not true. I know my man as a person because we spend an awful lot more time talking than we do fucking, and I don’t have to find out from you or from Cosmo what “men” think: I just ask mine what HE thinks, and the rest of you can go hang.

Gender stereotypes of any sort falls apart on a case by case basis–I know all types of men, and none of them are qualified to speak for “men” in general–just as I couldn’t begin to tell you how “women” fell about things. It would be nice if we could. If the rules of how people are were hard and fast, it would take a lot of the uncertainty out of relationships, but they would all be a lot more boring. So instead, people have to take every relationship on a case by case basis “Is THIS man a selfish bastard in bed?” “Does this man care if I poof my hair?” “Does this man think about life the way I do?” I think that realizing that I can not be pigeonholed as “woman” and he can not be pigeonholed as “man” is that hallmark of an adult relationship.