It’s widely (but how truthfully?) reported that Hillary occasionally lets her inner harpy out, and that she did not take losing the election well. Are the sources credible?
Do the sources have video of this happening? In this day and age, when everyone has a video camera on their person at all times, if they don’t have video, they’re not credible.
There are number of stories floated over the years and most seem to come from SS Agents assigned to her during the Clinton White house years who say she was very nasty and dismissive if she was not in a good mood or under stress, and given what went down during those times good moods were probably rare.
But …personally IMO, in looking and listening to her the underlying “vibe” I get is not that genuinely warm or friendly, it’s a hungry, focused vibe of someone very smart and controlled trying very hard to seem normal and positive.
It was reported that Hillary was crying inconsolably. This came from an author named Ed Klein who has a lot of connections in Washington and supposedly got the information from a close friend of Hillary. The friend wasn’t named. This was also allegedly the reason why John Podesta came out on stage instead of Hillary on election night. Hillary allegedly called her friend and was crying. There’s no video or recording of any sort of the conversation.
I guess the credibility here depends on how honest you think Ed Klein is. At best it’s a “heard it from someone” type of cite.
There are other reports of Hillary throwing tantrums and getting violent. These stories mostly got their start on unreliable web sites and some have been traced back to intentional trolls. These stories are not credible at all.
Sounds like the old Breitbart formula:
Find what our side is blatantly guilty of and leak through Trolls that the other side is guilty of it.
I would not believe anything I hear about either side unless there is “real” proof of it.
If "any " politician did half of what they say they will do, it would be a first.
I can be nasty and dismissive to subordinates if I’m not in a good mood or under stress. And so are a lot of people. This does not strike me as the least bit unusual for a person in this type of position.
Now, if she were throwing chairs Bobby Knight style, that would be noteworthy.
Serious question: are you equally skeptical when ugly rumors surface about politicians you hate?
ALL of us are tempted to believe the worst of our opponents. We shouldn’t be quick to embrace any and all ugly rumors we hear, but when they’re targeted at people we hate, we typically do.
The Left eagerly ate up implausible stories about Sarah Palin because they confirmed what liberals wanted to believe. It’s no different when conservatives hear stories that Hillary is a bitch.
What’s the truth? How would I know? For what little it’s worth, the few friends I have who’ve met Hillary thought she was smart, warm, funny and extremely charming- none understood why she often seems just the opposite on TV.
I know the son and brother of two of her former Secret Service agents. She is reportedly a hellion that nobody wants to work with behind closed doors at least in that regard but they did the best job they could because they are professionals and would protect anyone if they needed to. The SS never had a high regard for either of the Clintons and the feeling was mutual.
This information is old news and greatly predates this election. My friend and his family have little political regard for any of the ones they protected. However, the general consensus was that the Fords were the best to the SS and staff, the Reagans were genuinely nice people and the Clintons, especially Hillary, were the worst. She was never above trying to play Queen Empress even as First Lady and was known to lash out and even curse common staff just because they were present.
I have met met Bill Clinton and I can’t see him lashing out at anyone because he has a very powerful form of slimy charm but Hillary Clinton, not so much.
I think this is better suited to IMHO.
Colibri
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Haven’t some actual people that worked for/with/around her come flat out and say these sort of things about her?
Reporters secret “sources” are one thing. Live identifiable people are another. I guess you’d have to decide whether these people would lie to get fame/whatever.
Astro made a point I’d agree with. She certainly gives this vibe IMO that most/any niceness she has is faked/forced/exaggerated. Which sort of implies that in private she ain’t.
Part of being a professional and a good boss is that you don’t take it out on your subordinates when you are under stress or in a bad mood. People who indulge themselves with abusing or lashing out at subordinates because they cannot control themselves should not be put in supervisory positions if possible.
Good thing we elected Trump, then.
A lot of people that are talking certainly aren’t doing it for fame. My friend for example, is now a semi-functional anarchist that blames all his woes on being a SS kid. He has no political affiliation but he knows all the political families from the Fords to the Bushes personally (and wants nothing to do with any of them anymore). What he told me starting decades ago matches up with other reports from lots of other people.
It is basically the same thing as people reporting that a certain celebrity is a complete dick. One encounter can be written off but it is a lot harder to disbelieve it when similar reports come pouring in from thousands of other people.
Some of my family lives in Fayetteville, AR where the Clintons lived for years. It is a bigger city than you would expect these days but it was fairly small back then. I am sure they have many fans there even today but the word on the street whenever I go there is that she was always an abusive hellbeast. Even my uber-liberal aunt that met her many times claims that was always true.
I would too, if I were her. It’s kind of weird how we expect politicians to be all things to all people, warm but not too emotional (remember how people freaked back when Howard Dean raised his voice for a second?) I imagine that when she lost the election, Hillary was just a sad person watching all that she had worked for slip through her fingers. Hardly noteworthy or unusual for a human being.
Reports of being abusive to underlings are another thing entirely.
One can imagine why she would. Regardless of what you think of her principles or politics, she has worked for decades, first elevating a husband who was a serial adulterer and then by becoming one of the DNCs biggest fundraisers, as well as working in her role as a senator to obtain bipartisan support for her initiatives (and those authored by others), to have her career aspirations crushed by losing to a lop-haired buffoon in no small part due a last minute crisis attributed to yet another oaf literally not able to keep his wiener in his pants. In such a position, I’d literally be smashing holes in the wall like the lead in a Roger Corman Hulk.
Indeed. He limits his angst to threatening to jail opponents during a policy debate and sending out nearly incoherent and abusive tweets at a time when most humans are deep in REM sleep. He is the very model of a modern bigly president/He’s information military, economic, and immigrational/He knows the major players and their paedophile proclivities/From Manhattan to Long Island, he knows the nation inimical.
Jesus, I hope the descendants of Gilbert & Sullivan don’t descend upon me with lawsuits for associated them with this mess.
Stranger
After that one, I would expect Gilbert & Sullivan themselves to drag their moldering bones from the crypt and take their revenge personally.
Well, I’m a writing staff of one, and I have no illusion that I’m the next Aaron Sorkin. Still better than most of the crap that comes out of Cracked.com these days, though.
Stranger
I would have lost my mind if I were her, so she gets a pass from me on any tantrums thrown. She did it off camera and off line. We know that’s something her opponent could not have done.
Ed Klein is a Clinton axe-grinder and has been for years. Not credible.
I know several people who have worked with her. Repeatedly, when they didn’t have to. I haven’t asked whether she’s a harpy and I never would, but I have often observed in other venues that when men yell they’re commanding and when women yell they’re bitches.