"The idea that the entire medicine industry is part of a conspiracy to get people needlessly addicted to psych drugs is a paranoid delusion. "
You are saying I am under a “paranoid delusion.” Don’t you have any obligation to back that up by responding with something more than “You are not going to get the last word” Are you 6 years old?
Read the links from NYT and Alternet and CCHRINT and tell me why those are paranoid delusions. Or else apologize.
You think the companies who make psychotropic drugs do not want people to buy them? You think they are not in it for the money? GET REAL!
I was told by a doctor that at my age I could not have the vital statistics I do if I wasn’t taking “medication.” I’ve also been told, when I said that I don’t do drugs “That’s not drugs. That’s medication.” Yeah, right. A medication prescribed by a doctor is totally different from the same on bought on the street.
Maybe drug companies do not want people to get addicted to their products, but they do want them to at least buy them.
And if they are a publicly held company it is their legal obligation to try to get as many people to buy them as possible. The best “repeat” customers are psych patients who don’t have things like “healing” to get in the way.
Uh, I think all three of them gave me “page not found” errors.
And even before looking at them, even if there is widespread collusion between doctors (individuals? The AMA?) and drug companies and corruption in the use and prescription of drugs, why is it that the only ones I see people complain about are the ones for mental health (and these days, vaccines)? Why aren’t there widespread (or as widespread) skepticism of chemotherapy drugs or anesthetics or whatever?
For that matter, what DO you think of vaccines?
Sorry. That is incredible. I just posted those yesterday. Well let me tell ya they were great, yoooge!
Psych drugs aren’t treating an injury or organic illness, (necessarily).
The American Psychiatric Association is corrupted by drug money. Their patients are more vulnerable and are lifetime customers many times, Many times poly drugged, many times moving around from one to another.
Who said there was no problems with those other drugs? There ought to be less based on my common sense view herein explained.
The DSM says what is a mental illness hence what you can prescribe drugs for, and this is a political football. It keeps changing based on lobbying and politicking, and many shrinks are despairing of their own profession. This is not the case for Podiatrists, orthopedists, etc etc. The very definition of mental illness has come under the sway of “What can be medicated” as opposed to why are we unhappy.
Psych drugs are what they brought in to give to children under various new diagnoses such as ADHD etc etc. Those are not physical ailments or injuries. They came into existence under the purview of the APA under influence of the drug companies. It’s the same with various models of depression that you see advertised on TV. They might be right, but? It’s a model invented by researchers, drug companies, and business people. I’m certainly not comfortable with it.
Your examples: Chemotherapy is really specialized. You don’t take it any longer than you have to and to lobby for that would be nonsensical. Anaesthetics, are tools for operating. The Dr is the consumer here anyway. Whole different ballgame. Insulin has a physical measurable purpose, as do many drugs you don’t hear complaints about. I’m on statins though and there are plenty of complaints on these. I need them and I got bigger worries right now in my life. I take them.
I’d like to bring your attention to the fact that I asked Storyteller, who works in drug company studies to clarify what a failed study consists of. He has been MIA since then. The reason it is important is that if you can suppress studies that you don’t like that’s one leg of corrupting the system.
The biggest crime is that psych patients (Like myself and my opponents here) are the most vulnerable people in the population. You are already altered and compromised doubly by being mentally ill in some way, then medicated. You are compromised again (triply?) if your Dr (The healer) lets you down and hurts you under your treatment plan. It doesn’t have to be malicious or intentional. There is a word for Dr created illness: It’s called
**Iatrogenic. **
PS I have no expertise or knowledge that one should not vaccinate, and wouldn’t pretend to.
If you are quoting CCHRINT as a source then you have confirmed you’re a Scientologist. Elron was a paranoid egomaniac and his “church” is a thinly disguised pyramid scheme.
Anti-depressants save lives, and doctors are not the enemy.
Give it up Tom. You’ve been exposed. 
Aren’t you really in love with L Ron Hubbard?
You’re very quick to pathologize other people aren’t you? Don’t you have enough problems of your own where maybe you want to relax on that? You know when you namecall you point back at yourself, right?
From Wikipedia:
“Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.”
Huh?
Oooooh.
No I was just grabbing links. So they were started by scientology? Well I won’t be citing them in the future.
I always like Thomas Szasz though. I don’t think he was their tool
Uh huh. I think you quack very much like a duck.
Meta-analysis of long term effectiveness of SSRIs:
http://psychcentral.com/news/2015/05/28/analysis-shows-that-antidepressants-are-effective/85050.html
Concludes earlier studies used wrong metrics and SSRI’s are actually more effective than assumed.
Meta-Analysis of SNRI’s vs SSRI’s:
Concludes Venlafaxine is slightly more effective than SSRI’s.
No SSRI / SNRI’s are not worthless in the long term.
My two cents and it’s all anecdotal via the drugs prescribed to me and those prescribed to close friends and/or family: its the only type of medication doled out that seems to be given with the caveat “Lets see how you do on this, and if it doesn’t work we’ll try a lesser dose/higher dose or another medication.” To my mind, and I understand that neural science is still in its infancy, that is a terrifying notion.
You’re saying that if I snagged a link from a source you don’t like you’re going to accuse me of being a scientologist? I think you’re hanging around here too much. Sounds a little desperate and pathetic.
I’ll stand by my arguments. Care to deal with that? You’d be the first. What does that tell you, ducky?
Melty noone said they were worthless. Don’t worry. At least it wasn’t me, savvy?
Ask your Dr if he prescribes Benzos.
Nope it was your calling Psychopharmacologists “Psychopaths” that tipped me off. You then using CCHRINT as a source is the confirmation.
As for Anti-depressants having some trial and error in their prescription, that is true but I’m not sure what is terrifying about it. The potential side effects are well known and mostly minor, in a worse case scenario a particular drug doesn’t work on you and you suffer some side effects for a few weeks until you realise its not working. Thats a pain in the ass and inconvenient but its hardly terrifying.
PS your obsession with benzos is a dead give away as well.
Where do I start with you?
You should cough up what delusions I have or apologize.
You should not refer to me as a scientologist because I already told you I wasn’t. If that’s not enough take it up with a moderator. Got it?
This is what I really love:
“Doctors are ordinary people that train for up to 10 or 12 years mostly because they want to help people. People that just want pure financial gain become hedge fund managers or lawyers or stock brokers. There are plenty of industries that pay better than doctors. People working on fly in / fly out jobs in the oil industry often make more money than doctors.”
Dude: How the hell do you know why anyone becomes a Dr? Even if you are one it means you have a sample of one.
People who want to earn money go into those three things? Really? Thanks for the expert info.
Of what use in your argument, or in mine, is it needed to say that there are industries that pay better than Drs? What are you babbling about?
You know that anyone can be corrupted, especially when they don’t feel they make enough for what they do? That includes FBI agents, cops, and everyone else including Drs. You said they make less than oil workers? OK maybe that’s why they are corruptible. Have you read Black Mass? Whitey Bulger corrupted John Connolly, who made what $50-70 K a year?
Why are you saying they are incorruptible? What’s your evidence on that?
Have you read my posts? Your head must be spinning trying to rationalize all of it. take your time.
“your obsession with benzos is a dead give away”
What does that mean? I just accused you of being obsessed with L Ron Hubbard so you have to use that?
Is Benzo a big Scientology bugaboo? You are the one with the inside knowledge. What did Ronnie say about it? Tell me.
I’m not going to respond to your posts because its not worth my time. Also it’s irrelevant because this thread is about the effectiveness of SSRI’s long term, not about whether a vast conspiracy exists in the medical industry to needlessly addict people.
I have no interest in debating that, because its a paranoid delusion.
Well you can keep repeating that all you need to to get by dude. But don’t let it become you. If you think that Drs aren’t human, fallible, corruptible, subject to massive pressures, you are delusional. If you think I am a scientologist you are paranoid.
I’m rooting for you. But I’m not going to lie to myself or anyone else. I have the scars from this system. Hope you don’t find out.