Waste sez, in response to ARG:
Put me down for $10, Waste. I’m thinking the next round will be Catholic bashing, instead of Mormon bashing. Should be fun - I’d betting ARG will have nothing to say that I haven’t already heard before. I’m Catholic, btw. Apparently this means I’m going straight to hell. See y’all there! 
I’ll save you a seat, Falcon.
Waste
Flick Lives!
Some of you made good points about the fact that Adam is not turning anyone off of religion, he is turning people off of him, and therefore he could say night is dark and no one would listen or agree …Adam, the little boy who cried wolf…
I also personally have a problem with people who quote the Bible either out of context OR, they repeat something someone told them…or worse yet, they quote incorrectly to supposedly bolster their lame argumen…
No Adam, you cannot witness if you lie, cheat, and generally piss people off
Also, AuraSeer, a lead pipe would only lead to Olympic medals, home movies, and jail time for a fat “security” person…
Adam, I treat you like a telemarketer - I give you the benefit of having a job, just don’t call me during meal times - I ain’t buying
The worst thing that can possibly happen is not be used for something by someone - Kurt Vonnegut
I’m going to write out a long response in the GD Forum. I don’t want to get a little note from Lynn saying that I broke the rules and was witnessing in her Pit. Look for my long winded post in "Life in Heaven Part 3, page three.
Adam
Wow. That is annoying.
I don’t even know why I’m bothering, but here goes.
Adam, this is for you. This is coming to you from an agnostic, you know, one who, for whatever reason, has chosen to refrain from embracing religion. You, sir, are an arrogant, sniping hypocrite. It’s already been pointed out that you’ve alternately claimed to have/not to have read your bible. You’ve stated that Christians are filled with love and compassion for all mankind, yet you relentlessly display unfounded disgust for people who are not Christian, in fact, even for those who practice other Christian denominations than the one that you practice. And then this little blurb… “I dare say that it’s only because of Christians that this world keeps turning 'round.” Well, you know what Adam? I think you’re full of shit.
I allow people of all different beliefs to describe to me what they’ve learned, what they believe, how they feel and why they feel that way about the religions they practice. Keep in mind, I have not been able to make a choice about religion that has felt right to me, other than not to make a choice. I do not chastise, berate, or belittle people because of their beliefs or convictions, nor do I hold one group higher than another because I have an easier time believing what they say versus what another group says. I admire and respect all forms of spirituality, and I can only hope to attain the strength, courage, and conviction that I believe it takes to “believe”.
So where do you get off, telling us all that God is the way and the light? Because you read it in a book? You read it in your Bible and that makes you the authority. Well, when someone comes along with points to the contrary, because of what they read in their book, then it’s logical that they might be right, too.
How dare you call yourself a Christian. Despite my incapacity to choose a religion, I have attended church, both as a child and recently again, in support of my friend’s father, a Methodist pastor. The messages I get from going to church are not that I should be attempting to destroy or ridicule another person’s belief system, but that I should be compassionate, understanding and love everyone I meet. That’s my rule of thumb anyway. I’m having a really hard time of it with you. You have proven yourself to be the poorest excuse for a “Christian” that I’ve ever had the opportunity to come across.
I congratulate you on your strength to embrace spirituality, and I applaud your conviction. The fact still remains that you have done little more then make demands of other board members to come over to your side, to abandon their feelings on the matter and just trust in what you know to be “true”.
When you were asked to challenge your own beliefs, you questioned how you were supposed to do that. How about attending all the different places of worship in your area or making appointments with the pastors/ministers/preachers of some of those places to have a theological discussion? Ask them why they believe what they do, find out exactly how their particular brand of faith differs from yours and how its similar. How about reading the books that Bluepony suggested? How about pulling that stick out of your ass and at least making an attempt to be openminded?
You’re a human being. I think I remember you saying that you were born-again, or something to that effect. That says to me that you weren’t always a Christian, or at least that you didn’t spend much time spewing random bible passages at people. You must have had other hobbies, other interests, at one point. So, in keeping with the original post, why don’t you save your bible for the people who actually WANT to hear about it, and spend your time here discussing your other interests, asking and trying to find solutions to questions that are of a non-religious nature. You’ve made your point clear, obviously nobody’s going to change your mind on the topic of religion. Now it’s time for you to realize that you aren’t changing anyone else’s mind, either.
Veni, Vidi, Visa … I came, I saw, I bought.
Babar: I had planned on posting a very long message, that included much witnessing, over in GD. That is why I didn’t post the message here, because nobody, especially me, is supposed to witness in the Pit.
ChrisCTP: Have you read my post in Great Debates yet? If not, I think you should.
There is only one God. There is only one way. Even if I wasn’t Christian, then this would still be true. Just think about it for a second. Only one religion can be right. And of course, every one of them thinks they are correct. Fortunatly, the Bible is the key, and has all the answers, ans shows the only way to eternal life, and a holy life here on earth.
I’m not going to debate anymore. My eyes have been opened since reading Furt’s post, and going to God with it.
It’s all about Jesus. It’s not about who’s right, and who’s wrong. It’s not about changing minds, it’s more about changing hearts. You said that my mind will never be changed regarding religion Chris. And I thank my God for that. I thank Him that I’ve built my faith on the Rock of Christ Jesus.
For those of you who don’t know, including ChrisCTP, I’m 21 years old. I’ve been saved (born again) since I was 7 years old. Obviously, I didn’t know much about anything before coming to Christ. I’ve been a Christian my whole life. And I’ll BE a Christian, all the rest of my days.
Adam
To Adam, from Chris: “I think I remember you saying that you were born-again, or something to that effect. That says to me that you weren’t always a Christian, or at least that you didn’t spend much time spewing random bible passages at people. You must have had other hobbies, other interests, at one point.”
Not really, Chris. Adam was born to Pentecostal parents and raised in that church. He “became saved” at age 7. I doubt that he’s ever had an original thought and I haven’t seen any evidence of hobbys or interests other than his extreme Xtianity, either. He doesn’t even like to read, for Pete’s sake. He was also home schooled, which goes a long way towards explaining why he is the way he is. In fact, I consider him a perfect poster child against home schooling. BTW, Chris, while I agree with pretty much everything you said, I’m afraid it was wasted effort on your part. As I said once before (in the words of my father): The boy has a head like a bent shit-can lid.
Jess
Full of 'satiable curtiosity
Adam, not to try to cause any problems, but Jess stated that you were home schooled. Now I know that I have read some posters speculating that you were home schooled, but I do not believe I have read from you that you were. Did I miss something? Were you home schooled? Just curious.
Jeffery
p.s. If you have not read his post in the GD thread, he appologizes for his past posts and has said he will not post in an intolerant manner again. Several of the ones that he has argued with (Snarkberry, Monty, etc.) have accepted his appology.
Thanks, Jeffery – I did read Adam’s apology after I posted the above (I read the board top to bottom). Adam stated a while back that he was homeschooled in grades 9 - 12.
Well, I’d say I stated more that I was wary of it and hoped it was sincere. I see from Adam’s last posting above, it wasn’t.
Thanks Jess, I guess I missed the thread where he said he was home schooled.
Jeffery
Okay, here it is. I am adams mother. I tried to bring him up right, but kids DO have a mind of their own.I apologize for getting him a computer. I didn’t know it would lead to this! He used to play with toy soldiers, and the ones who lost he sent to the basement and were never found. Maybe this explains alot. Anyway, I apologize for him. So Sorry…Adam’s mum.
Wow.
Can you say “screeching halt”???
Veni, Vidi, Visa … I came, I saw, I bought.
Wrongo, buddy… I think my religion is correct, but not to the exclusion of other religions… I’m a Wiccan, and I think that everyone else who believes in whatever they believe in - Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Shinto, Buddhism, Asatru, scientific humanism, etc - has as good a chance of having the universe make sense to them as I do. I realize this is a new concept for you, but there are some people out here who do not think that their way is the Only Right Just and True Way (organ chord).
To Matt, Auraseer, and any other self proclaimed warlocks and witches out there:
Do you all believe in the powers of Satan as I do? And do you believe in hell? What about demon possession, and demons in general? I’m not looking for a fight, or argument here. I just want to know what some of you think, instead of going to that website Auraseer gave me. (I went to it, and took a quick glance around, and left)
Thanks in advance,
Adam
After the mention of paganism(?) and Wicca, I got curious. I’ve been looking at various websites and, quite frankly, I’m lost. So, if you don’t mind, I’d like to pick your brains for a bit of info
1)What are the roots of your religion? Celtic Druids, Ancient Greek beliefs, other, none. Also, can you recommend any good Celtic mythology books?
2)What are the basic tenets? From what I gather, worship of nature and the mother goddess are major factors. Then again, I could be mistaken.
3)Why? Personal, I know, so don’t answer if you don’t want to.
That’s about it for now. I’m more of a scientific-minded person myself, so religion as a whole seems somewhat dubious to me. Thanks for the help.
P.S. Where was AuraSeer’s website posted again?
“I’m not confused, I’m just well mixed”
–Robert Frost
When Adam (ARG220) asked what Wicca is, I posted this link as a place to find information:
http://www.witchvox.com
He also asked some questions:
First off, the term “warlock” is considered offensive. I’m told that it was originally derived from an old word for “traitor” (though linguistics is one area I know nothing about). I’m not a warlock, I’m a witch with a Y chromosome.
In a word, no. The pagan worldview does not include any figure with a role like that of the Christian devil. I believe that people who do wrong do so of their own choice; good or evil come from within, not from any outside source.
An aside here: many pagans depict their male god as a goat-footed man with horns. This figure is not representative of evil or sin. Those connotations were attached to the image by the Christian Church, many years ago, as a way of repudiating the polytheistic religions with which it was competing.
No. I believe that a person’s soul makes multiple trips through this world. The notion that you only get one chance here, and then are either damned or exalted for the remainder of eternity, does not make much sense to me.
Not demons per se, but I believe that spirits exist. For a simple distinction, some are “nice” and some are “nasty” and some are in between. Even the worst of them aren’t as purely evil as Christian demons, but they’re still not often invited to dinner.
Well, Adam, you could find far more information on the web than I could ever type here. But I must say I’m glad to see you asking for information, instead of making uninformed pronouncments.
Uh guys? This is precisely how ARG220 started in the first place! He pretended to be interested in what we believed, ignored everything we told him, and proceded to damn us to hell if we didn’t believe in HIS version of christianity.
Here we go again.
Yet more from me.
If people really want to ask questions about paganism and Wicca, how about we start a new thread? Should that go into GQ or GD?
If anybody has questions they don’t feel comfortable asking in public, feel free to send me email.