Ask The Lesbian!

SnoopyFan

Please don’t be offended if I say I cracked up at your post. It’s late, I’m on a ton of painkillers, and man, you cracked me up.

With that said!

My wife is very “wifey”. Rings exchanged, till-death-do-us-part, for better or worse or whenever you drive me to tossing you off of a cliff, etc.

Um, I don’t know how good or bad it is to be butch, per se. It’s just how some lesbians are. Some are more masculine and some more feminine. I think you find that in all sexualities and genders, though. There are some staunchly heterosexual women who are far butcher than me or my wife by a long shot. There are some men who are so feminine that I appear more manly than a Cro-Magnon. That said, butch and femme identities are a huge part of lesbian culture. You might want to take a look here and here for some very in-depth explanations and theoretical break-downs of the butch-femme aesthetic. Not by any means do all lesbians subscribe to the butch-femme politics of lesbian relationships–I don’t. I’m what would be described as a “tweener”–I’m between femme and butch. My wife could be described as a “soft butch”. There is very wide spectrum of lesbian identities, going all the way from “hard femme” (read lipstick, stocking, and dresses all the time) to “stone butch” (men’s clothing, traditional male occupations). I think a lot of it has to do with what your definition of gender is, and where the lines blur. I, for one, think gender lines blur very easily; where other people think the boundaries are rigid and not easily crossed.

Sure, there are butch-femme couples. There are also butch-butch couples, femme-femme couples, tweener-tweener couples, couples that choose no identifiable labels, and those who don’t fall into any of those categories.

As to why some women choose to be butch–it’s all about what makes you comfortable. Some women cannot be at ease in silk stocking and pearls no matter how much you paid them. Others find lipstick and weekly salon appointments a must.

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Room for another lebsian? Aw, come one, there is no such thing as too many lebsians!

Just wanted to comment on Snoopys “Why is it good to be butch” question. It is neither good nor bad, but it sure is fun :slight_smile: I don’t get the whole butch/femme thing per sig, I am just me, but “me” probably equates to soft-butch. I love to sew, and bake, and play with power tools, and wear big-ass boots and run around the woods, and take care of babies, and watch action movies, and which of these were guy things, and which were girl things again?

As for the “looking like guys” thing, eh, you know how much effort it takes to “look like a girl” ? I look like a girl, but that is cos I am still young I think :smiley: I rekon I will look like a proper old dyke in about 15 years. Dressing up is one thing, then I go the whole hog, fix my hair, little bit of make up, nice shoes etc, but just hanging around? Screw that, jeans, tee and boots or runners. My wife (yeah, I use that term too, if for no other reason than that it would actually require legal process to split from her) thinks I am cute, and knows herself how much bloody hassle it is to be “girly” by societys standards, and is about the same as me in style.

Sorry to jump in like that QGG, do you mind terribly?

Have you had people (friends or ‘morally’ concerned strangers) try to ‘cure’ you (either overtly or surreptitiously)?

If so, how did you deal with it?

Iteki, I welcome all input! By all means, feel free.

That sounded dirty.

Mangetout

Never. I’ve never had a friend dare even suggest that I can/could be/should be cured of my lesbianism. That would prompt such a barrage of verbal abuse from me that they would cease to be my friend. It may even warrant some mild physical violence. That, to me, would be the utmost in disrespect, not only to me, but to my marriage.

Strangers? Nah. Only on message boards and the like, and I usually a) ignore them b) abuse them c) attempt to educate them on how and why they are so woefully ignorant and wrong. Usually B.

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I’m very interested in this discussion, but I need to point something out about the riddle if you don’t mind. Note that the narrator met a man “with seven wives…” etc.; there is no mention that the “kits, cats, sacks, and wives” were with the man on the road, merely that he had them. I haven’t seen Die Hard III, but this is the explanation given in riddle books.

Sorry about that. Carry on.

Don’t Lesbians need their sleep? Good lord woman, it must be around 3:00 AM where you are.

Muad’Dib, this lesbian is a raving insomniac with an addiction to LiveJournal, SDMB, Ozzyhead and the Internet in general.

It’s 4:26 AM, to be exact.

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Nate, I am now thoroughly convinced that riddle was thought up by the patriachy in an attempt to hold a good lesbian down.

Pfft.

Thanks.

Do you find then that people are generally fairly accepting? (in those situations where the subject arises) Do you ever sense that individuals are merely ‘tolerating’ your sexuality? Do you ever find yourself consciously avoiding situations where you feel the possibility of ‘moral’ conflict may arise?

So, when/if guys come on to you, and you let them know that you’re a lesbian, do they leave politely or do they stick around, asking if they can watch, saying things like “one night with me would make you straight” and suchlike?

OK, colour me idly curious - QGG, Iteki, you refer to your partners as “wives”, how do they refer to you?

OK, so I’m most asking this for a friend (who, BTW, would DIE if she knew I was asking, 'cause she’s shy like that). She was saying to me the other day that she finds Stuff magazine and things like it oddly fascinating, but the Playboy her friends got her as a gag gift she doesn’t find hot at all. Without hijacking this thread into a discussion of what’s sexually attractive or not, do other lesbian/mostly female-oriented bisexual chicks prefer “clothed” to “unclothed”? (Her wording) I’m sure that some do, just like some straight guys do, but I’d like to have some anecdotal evidence to throw at her next time she starts wondering if she’s a “bad lesbian” (kinda :rolleyes:, I know, but she’s 17. It’s an age that lends itself well to insecurity […said the almost 19-year-old from her lofty perspective]). So, QGG? Iteki? andygirl? Any other lesbians lurking? I’d really appriciate anyone’s answer on this. Thanks!

teleute12, I can’t speak for any other DoperDykes, but speaking for myself, I really don’t get much out of visual pornography, especially the more revealing stuff. I get more from images that depict seduction versus just plain fucking. And let me just say that the bimbos in Playboy are just plain hideous. Barbie dolls don’t do it for me. I like my girls soft butch :wink:

Give me some good written porn any day!

Max :slight_smile:

Steve Wright, I refer to mrsIteki as my wife cos I married her four years ago as I have mentioned elsewhere. Sweden has registered partnership for gay couples, which is the same as marriage except for the laws governing parenting, and that the Swedish uhh… “language authority?” have said that it is inappropriate to use the word marriage when referring to registered partnership so as “not to offend” … offend who assholes? Grr, don’t get me started… Bit more about reg.part. and me here in an old post .

Eh, hi-jack myself much? Em, yeah, wives… after 9 years together and 4 years married I say wife when being specific/formal. It is not a word I would use casually, previous girlfriends have been called girfriends. She calls me wife in the same situations, but we are both kinda squicked by the term, wife sounds so damned grown-up! I use “the other half” quite a bit, it makes me giggle :smiley:

teleute I don’t know what “Stuff magazine” is, and I can’t google it right now. I can’t answer for what “most” l/b girls like, but for me unclothed in itsself has no real attraction. The nekkidness itsself is not a turn on, cos I got at least as nice a pair myself :slight_smile: There is no “forbidden fruit” to it. That is not to say that a nekkid pic of a beautiful woman, well photographed, well posed etc could not possibly be sexy, I am just saying that for me, I am more likely to react to somone dressed in a way I consider sexy, than just plain nekkid photos. Em, let me think of an example, you have seen the famous playboy photo of the Brazilian football teams cheerleaders cheerleading in the rain? Thats a beautiful photo, and fairly sexy :slight_smile: but 99.9% of the nekkid pics popping up at me from websites around the net, blerghh, more of a turn off than a turn on. Tell yer bud there is no such thing as a “bad-lesbian”, despite what others (especially other lebsians) tell her. I was at a presentation of a survey on lesbian health a few years ago, where a bunch of real oldschool 50 year old dykes went completely ballistic that some of the questions regarded sex with men, and could not get their head around the concept of somone identifying as a lesbian, but still having the odd boy-shag. They walked out in the end. :rolleyes:

Thanks, Iteki - for whatever it’s worth, that all sounds perfectly reasonable to me … and I don’t see any valid reason why anyone should be offended by you referring to your marriage as a marriage.

Stupid question post:

Hello Lesbians. (Would you like titles? Can you invent titles? I mean, MattMcl was Mr Gay Guy or something)

Firstly, do you find that the things that attract you to a woman are similar to the things that attract a straight guy to a woman? What sort of (physical) qualities are appealing to you? Do you think that your attraction to another woman is the same as a straight man’s attraction to a woman, but just with different equipment?

(I’m cringing at asking such stupid questions… but ignorance… fighting…)

Ok, ok… next, most stupid question:

Can you use yourself for porn? I mean, sure maybe nakedness isn’t your thing. But say you were really into… I dunno… Brazillian cheerleaders? Could you dress up? I knew this gay guy once who really appreciated his own body in the mirror. Can you draw similar benefits.

And, finally:

Iteki, do you have a link to that photo?

That’s it, I’m going to find a thread where I’ll be less embarassing to myself and my gender.

Thank you for a great thread!
Now my strange question:

My friend works with an openly lesbian couple and he tells me of stories they have told him related to hankies. They call them “hanky” parties where lots of crazy stuff goes on. Apperently the color or pattern of the hanky and which pocket it is worn in mean different things. Left submissive, right dominant (I think). As far as what colors mean what, I don’t remember. Black was S&M I think, Red had something to do with blood, Yellow was “water sports” … etc.

Is my leg being pulled or does this sound familiar?
Thanks!

www.hankycode.com explains the hanky system which is afaik much more prevelant in the gay guy community. It is a shortcut for cruising (anonymous sex), you don’t even have to ask what somone is into, they are showing what they are looking for. Never heard of lesbians using them cept in a joking manner, but other people MMV. FRT, the hanky code has taken on a life of it’s own, with the original base code having been expanded over the years into a practical encyclopedia of human sexuality :slight_smile:

I am obviously not going to link, but a search of brazil football playboy on google image search with safe-search turned off gives one hit, which is one of the images in the photo-shoot I am referring to. FTR, on the topic of Playboy, I actually own a copy :smiley: I was much too embarassed to buy it myself, so I sent the fearless swede (mrsItek) to get it, it was the Herb Ritz photoshoot with Cindy Crawford. Fantastic pictures, he was amazing, and she has a fantastic look.

Wow! Lots of questions. I like this.

Mangetout

I do find that people are pretty much accepting. I’ve always had the theory that if you get people one-on-one, they’re less likely to give you grief about anything. However, when you factor in the lynch mob mentality, you get the Fred Phelps of the world. I don’t think I’ve been in a situation yet where I felt someone was tolerating me simply for the social grace of it, but I have felt that people were uncomfortable simply because they didn’t know how to ask things. You know the “How is your girlfr–uh, partn–um, signif–um, person you live with?”

As for avoiding situations that may conflict with my sexuality, I can’t really think of any that do, except churches and the like. Being agnostic, I don’t ever have a reason to go to churches or what have you, so that’s a no go.

Priceguy, the times that I’ve had men show romantic interest in me, they have been very respectful when I politely decline and explain my sexuality. I think it’s all in the way a lesbian does it, to be honest. If I flinch away and shriek “I’m a lesbian! Don’t you dare think about it!”, then I deserve whatever rude comments I get. Usually, I politely say “Well, no thank you, honey. I bat for the other team–I’m a lesbian. I sure am flattered, though.” Then they usually will say “Oh, I’m sorry! Thank you for letting me know.” And that’s usually the end of that.

To be continued…

Steve Wright

My wife also refers to me as her wife.

And sometimes as her “personal house biotch”.

:rolleyes:

I know it’s pretty confusing, but it’s really the most comfortable thing we could come up with. Partner–too PC. SO–too sterile. We just had to find terms that we felt good about, and wife/wife just happened to be it.

teleute12

I like Playboy. I subscribe to Playboy. The girls in that magazine are not my ideal female, but they’re pretty and I enjoy looking at them. I also enjoy male-targeted magazines like Stuff and Maxim. This, of course, is going to vary wildly from lesbian to lesbian, and there are those feminist-lesbians who think I should be shot for, uh, what’s it called? “Embracing the patriarchal stereotype.” Or something. To put it simply, I’m fond of looking at naked women.

gex gex

Hrm. For me personally, I don’t think I like what most men like physically. My personal preference? Dark hair, dark or green eyes, darker skin. Body build is not something extremely important to me. However, like I told the previous poster, I like naked girls. The more naked, the better. I also prefer women on the heavier side. Thin girls are not my ideal. So I’m thinking I probably don’t have the same preferences a straight man would.

Can I use myself for porn? Eh, I’m not particularly attractive, so that’s a no-go. I use my wife for porn, though! Uh, don’t tell her I said that.

As for your last question, all I’m going to say is Mmm. Brazilian girls in the rain.

Deep Fried

The hanky code (which can be foundhere), is more of a BDSM lifestyle thing than a lesbian thing. Of course, there are many lesbians who subscribe to the BDSM lifestyle, but there are many gay men and heterosexuals who do also. I, personally, do not.

:slight_smile:

Steve Wright

My wife also refers to me as her wife.

And sometimes as her “personal house biotch”.

:rolleyes:

I know it’s pretty confusing, but it’s really the most comfortable thing we could come up with. Partner–too PC. SO–too sterile. We just had to find terms that we felt good about, and wife/wife just happened to be it.

teleute12

I like Playboy. I subscribe to Playboy. The girls in that magazine are not my ideal female, but they’re pretty and I enjoy looking at them. I also enjoy male-targeted magazines like Stuff and Maxim. This, of course, is going to vary wildly from lesbian to lesbian, and there are those feminist-lesbians who think I should be shot for, uh, what’s it called? “Embracing the patriarchal stereotype.” Or something. To put it simply, I’m fond of looking at naked women.

gex gex

Hrm. For me personally, I don’t think I like what most men like physically. My personal preference? Dark hair, dark or green eyes, darker skin. Body build is not something extremely important to me. However, like I told the previous poster, I like naked girls. The more naked, the better. I also prefer women on the heavier side. Thin girls are not my ideal. So I’m thinking I probably don’t have the same preferences a straight man would.

Can I use myself for porn? Eh, I’m not particularly attractive, so that’s a no-go. I use my wife for porn, though! Uh, don’t tell her I said that.

As for your last question, all I’m going to say is Mmm. Brazilian girls in the rain.

Deep Fried

The hanky code (which can be foundhere), is more of a BDSM lifestyle thing than a lesbian thing. Of course, there are many lesbians who subscribe to the BDSM lifestyle, but there are many gay men and heterosexuals who do also. I, personally, do not.

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