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Your myopia in this thread continues to be stunning, then. It’s clearly there.

How about what was actually said.

"I’m actually mostly amused by this – while realizing that poor Maria is undoubtedly in huge amounts of pain. "

And yes, it is amusing when someone expects one kind of reaction, but they get a totally different one due to different situations, cultural norms, or whatever. Insert the Mel Brooks quote if you must, but there is something amusing about the heavily implied expectation that twickster is in the same situation Maria is and therefore will be equally upset juxtaposed with the fact that twickster and JP are not in a relationship where that will happen.

Basically, the pro-Twickster side of this thread is “Her relationship with JP was on the up-and-up from her point of view, Maria’s undetermined as to whether she’s got a legitimate grievance or is a crazy stalker, so Twickster’s going to talk to JP and figure out what’s really what.” You know, the right thing to do given the situation.

Hell, Dio, if you got an e-mail from some dude claiming he was married to your wife and just found out she’s really still alive (and therefore still married to him) because he thought she faked her own death so he’s thought he was a widower all these years, you’d do the same damn thing–if not just dismiss it out of hand because you know your wife and don’t know the e-mailer from Adam. And on top of that, I guarantee you’d be pissed if you put it on the Dope and people said, “well, what if he’s telling the truth–better not sleep with your wife until you’re 100% sure.”.

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Twickster had no real “relationship” with this guy that it’s any way comparable to a 20 year marriage. Give me a break.

Twickster has not indicated that she particularly believes this guy or trusts him, not has she indicated that she particularly disbelieves Maria. The fact that this woman still has access to his laptop belies his story. Plus his story sounds exactly like the story of every other cornered cheater.
How did she get into his laptop. Answer that? Why should the guy be automatically believed. It’s not like she really knows this guy. She apparently knows nothing about the guy’s personal life away from her. She said in her OP that she never even cared enough to wonder.

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Once again, which is more likely:

Guy meets girl. Girl is crazy. Guy immediately cuts things off with the girl over three months ago. Crazy girl then breaks into the guy’s home in some way, hacks into his laptop, and steals all of his email information- then, takes perfectly friendly and innocent emails and uses them as ammunition for her crazy.

OR

Guy puts his dick in girl. Guy puts his dick in more girls. First girl is at his house, using his laptop- as girlfriends tend to do- sees his dick sticking emails. Girl gets upset, girl emails for verification.

I guess the sticking point for my here is: if this is some crazy ass bitch who is stalking his entire life, it just doesn’t make sense that she’d have access to his laptop. “Oh, but a party, Diosa! What if she came to his house for a party?” Sorry, I’ve had guys I’ve dubbed as crazy show up at my house with others. You know what I do? I tell them to fuck off, they know they aren’t welcome. If she’s as crazy as he’s claiming, this would have been his reaction, too.

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Wow, obtuse much? You don’t see it in the email because believe it or not, the tone is open to interpretation. You view it as some Ha ha what a stupid bitch, etc. I view it as “haha, she thought she was opening some can of worms and getting revenge on her cheating boyfriend, but she’s barking up the wrong tree.”

It’s possible that either/both of us are wrong. You’re not the final word, Dio, believe it or not. I think you’re reading a LOT into the entire situation. No one said “dumb whore, let’s laugh at her” except you. Amusement at the attempt at the email to elicit some kind of flame war and hilarity at Maria’s circumstance are not the same thing.

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If I hadn’t known guys who were (frankly speaking) stupid enough to let their “I don’t want to take sides” friends invite the crazy ex to places where the guy and his laptop would be without a protest, I’d probably take your viewpoint.

Having been personally burned by a crazy-ass stalker bitch, I can’t judge on the amount of info out there. My crazy-ass stalker talked my roommate’s fiancee (who recognized her as someone I hung out with, but who wasn’t completely in the loop concerning us being splitsville) into letting her into the residence, whereupon she snooped in my stuff and “borrowed” (read: stole) some books.

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How would you even know how the terms of her friendship with the guy operate, aside from the sparse info in the thread and your projecting your own little moral views on the thread? I’ve seen 20-year marriages where there was less communication and trust than in some of my friendships, for that matter. A single fact like that tells us zilch about the actual level of trust involved.

Neither of 'em should be automatically believed, but it sure seems like Twicks is getting a lot of heat anyway. See my previous post for the “how does a crazy stalker get at his laptop” examples.

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Touche, sir. Ok, but from a logical stand point (ie: Twix): why would you want to let a guy stick you who, once again, clearly shows this level of stupidity. As I said before, regardless of who is lying here, the guy clearly is a dummy or a creeper.

Dummy= Probably too stupid to wrap it up every time
Creeper = probably plays just the tip with a whole harem of girls

Either way = herpes.

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Maybe it’s an extra large weener that’s involved here.

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More surface area for the herp, dear friend Taco.

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Crazy stalker could have also read his emails months ago, forwarded addresses to herself, in plans for retaliation should she get “hurt” in the relationship and need “revenge.” Who knows how the drama is playing out on the JP/Maria side?

Also, for JP, Maria seems to have been a long distance relationship - which does complicate the whole thing on twicks having any clue he was seeing her - as he was apparently only seeing her once a month or so. In addition to him perhaps not even knowing her at the time he started to see twicks.

This isn’t the case of boffing the neighbor’s husband - whose relationship status you know.

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And as I said before, I gotta agree with you on the herpes potential here. Nice to see we can reach agreement on the important issues. Like herpes.

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Herpes always needs to be taken with the utmost seriousness. Maybe it’s just because I’m in that 1/4 age group, but man. . .

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You and me both. shifty eyes How YOU doin’? :wink:

(:D)

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You and Zerial are really twisting yourselves into knots to imagine ways in which this woman could possibly be a crazy, lying bitch, and thus exonerate your precious JB. Never mind that you don’t have a shred of evidence. Why is that? Why is it so important to you to demonize this woman with no evidence?

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Because people believing her with equal lack of evidence is the primary mood of the thread, and that’s totally asinine.

Twisting myself into knots? By recounting things that have actually happened to people I know? You just keep straining up there.

Bottom line–the evidence and examples of the many ways that could happen and have happened elsewhere that Maria could be lying/crazy are simply supporting the bare fact of the matter that JP is more trustworthy to Twickster than some random e-mail clown named “Maria”. The fact that people (including you!) have believed “Maria” and chose to demonize “JP” with absolutely no supporting evidence is reason enough to argue the other side’s plausibility.

To head off the inevitable “I never said that”…

Also, personal reasons: this shit happened to me. I was a good guy who did nothing wrong, and I lost a lot of friends over a completely bullshit rape accusation by a crazy ex. I wasn’t smart enough at the time to sever from her completely after the breakup, even knowing she was a bit nuts about it, and she used that to fabricate some believable bullshit. So if I take JP’s side, it’s because if he’s telling the truth then I’ve worn his shoes.

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Not my precious JB…don’t know the guy and I wouldn’t sleep with him. Sounds like a “player” and not my type. But then, Maria sounds like a crazy bitch. Find racy emails in your boyfriend’s inbox from several different women…dump him. And what were you doing there anyway? Don’t turn it into a soap opera.

There are two sides to every story. Or more. You’ve picked yours. I’m just not fond of people judging relationships merely because they are “different.” Twicks might have a casual relationship with JB and several other men, doesn’t mean the relationships aren’t relationships, doesn’t mean she didn’t do enough due diligence to discover JB’s relationship status with a woman he may not have even met yet who lives in a different country.

I’ve met both scumbags and crazy bitches and seen this play out both ways. Had the chips fallen on the “crazy bitch” side, I’d probably be saying "hey, wait, maybe JB promised her forever.

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Maria is more credible than JB.

Hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. While Maria could be a psycho-ex, stalker extraordinaire hacker, the fact is that “Guy who lies to his girlfriend / wife in order to sustain additional sexual relationships” is far more common.

The e-mail reply business is very telling as well. If I were falsely accused of telling two different stories to two different people, no matter what the subject was, the first thing I would want to do is get them together, so they both heard the same thing from at the same time. If a liar is exposed, his method of continuing the lie or containing the damage from the disclosure will be to continue to tell two separate stories.

For this reason, his decision to NOT copy Maria on the return e-mail (which I am taking now as a given) is very telling. He continues to create an environment where he can talk to each separately, without a way for them to compare notes.

In contrast, Maria’s actions all point to a desire to have the truth out. Her motives may well be self-serving, but in this case, it’s the truth that she seems to feel will serve her.

Twickster’s actions, finally, point to a desire to just not know. While she now says she’ll have a conversation with JB and base her decision on that, her first reported response to him was not “We need to talk,” but rather, “We’re good.”

So I get the sense that despite her protestations to the contrary, twickster simply doesn’t care all that much if she’s fucking a guy who’s in a relationship and lying to his S.O. about it.

Which is fine. There’s no rule that says she has to care about it.

Then maybe this incident is skewing your view a bit?

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Although I’m quite new here, and thus don’t really have much of a sense of “community” on SDMB, what I’ve seen in this thread goes -above and beyond- the call of “calling you on your shit”. It looks more to me like:

…“Let’s ALL give twickster some shit!”…

Especially from Diogenes the Cynic, but others I could easily name would also qualify for a plea of “Guilty as Charged, I throw myself on the mercy of the Court”. [I wouldn’t give you ***any*** mercy, but I’m a bloodthirsty “mofo”.]

Are you people all rational?
[NB: not from what I’ve seen, and I’m strongly tempted to shoot the mutts who haven’t been, just to protect the rest of us non-rabid mutts.]

If not, why not? You are all required to submit an essay, justifying the position you took in this thread. Submit them to my personal message box by midnight next week. Those who choose not to respond will be killed by your choice of execution method [or whatever I find convenient when it comes time to whack you]. Those who do respond are submitting yourselves to my [hee, hee] justice. I will kill you or let you live, my choice, my execution method…

This has GOT to be the most WHACKED OUT thread I’ve ever read, not because of what was written, but just because of the IDIOTS who posted.

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What the hell, dude?

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Sirs: I am writing to express my UTTER OUTRAGE over your recent issue, and demand that you CANCEL my subscription AT ONCE!!!