I knew it!
I guess it depends on how you describe “several million”. To me, the term “several” has always meant “four and above”. In any case, California has two million illegal aliens (WARNING: Link leads to a PDF). However, that’s out of over 10,000,000 Hispanics (I’m using that part of the population since Mexico accounts for just over half of the illegal aliens), in a state with 33,000,000 people.
That’s hardly an invasion.
Where’s the worries about the Caucasian invasion? Or the African-American invasion?
Methinks you need to polish up your rhetoric and hyperbole, buckaroo.
:rolleyes:
Because all Mexicans think alike, right? “We are the Mexican Borg… you will be assimilated, muy bueno.”
This is why.
You fucking moron. This is not YOUR country.
Take your bigoted ass to a small island, designate that as your country, and fucking stay there.
Hastur, that’d be a perfectly good waste of a small island.
Not if it was Devil’s Island, SPOOFE.
don’t let the name fool you. It’s more of a peninsula.
I thought Devil’s Island belonged to France.
OK, forget Devil’s Island, what about Innsmouth?
I was thinking something like Tierra Del Fuego… just smaller and not as nice.
Spoofe, that definition doesn’t fit someone who enters a country illegally. Thats like calling someone who breaks into your house a “visitor”.
Also, that reference for the number of illegals in Cali is 6 years out of date. Just in the last census, they estimated at least 9 million illegals living in the US. I’m willing to bet that there are at least 3-4 million illegals living in Cali. However, I will find a cite and post it later.
Cuate, yes, I’m aware that that the Mexican gov is largely controlled by "White "Mexican. I just wish they would root out the corruption and set up a good economic climate so that poorer Mexicans wouldn’t have to emigrate to get jobs. Mexico needs to build a large middle class. Just shuttling the poor off to the US will only forestall the problems.
Here’s an excellent resource for immigration issues and statistics www.fairus.org Check out the Research section for an eye opener.
[Butthead] If I could do that, I’d never leave the house. [/Butthead]
Spider Using the 2 million estimate from 1996/97 and using about 100,000 new illegals per year coming to CA., you would get 2.5 million, perhaps 2.75 at the most.
I took some figures from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/march/31/immig6.htm
Well, who knows what Barking Spider was referring to, but I went to the site just for kicks. It’s an incredibly biased source, of course, but I checked out their info in the ‘Research’ section on California, and gasp it cites the same 1996 figure of 2 million illegal immigrants in California. Strangely, I don’t feel as if my eyes have been particularly opened by anything I saw.
Incidentally, SPOOFE, good lord. ‘You will be assimilated, muy bueno’… That is COMEDY.
On preview, samclem has actually posted something useful, using a reputable news source. Barking Spider, are you taking notes?
Logically speaking Godwin Law can’t be invoked if someone pulls a Godwin upon oneself, right?
The moment someone does, this should suspend the law, and enable everyone else to go for it as well, given that they would only be confirming the persons own avowal, right?
I’d answer those with a yes and propose that thereby Godwin’s Law is as of now suspended from being active in this thread.
Anyone want to be first out?
Yes, it does cover someone who enters the country illegally. It doesn’t matter if they came into this country through a rusty sewer pipe or through an Act of Congress, they are still immigrants. Hence the term, “illegal immigrant,” to differentiate those immigrants entering the country illegally, and those entering it legally. See, you could tell this from the definition SPOOFE posted, because the definition didn’t say “a person who comes to a country legally to take up permanent residence,” it said, “a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence,” which means that word covers both people coming here legally and illegally. So the term (immigrant) is being used correctly by everyone describing people entering the US illegally. Because immigrant doesn’t just mean people legally entering the country.
Sorry for making this post so redundant, but since Barking Spider is apparently dense enough to be used as shielding in nuclear reactors, I thought it was important to repeat the important point a few times, which was (Are you paying attention, BS) that the word “immigrant” does include people coming to live here illegally.
What exactly makes someone a “legal”, immigrant? Do they have to tell you they’re coming here first? Or what?
Miller is correct, according to the INS definition:
Eh, they have to either have an Adjustment of Status application approved after entering the States as a nonimmigrant, or have an immigrant visa issued to them by a Consulate abroad prior to entry. That’s the short version anyway. You really don’t want to get into all the details here, trust me!
Miller has addressed this rather well, but I’m going to point out why your analogy fails miserably… The definition of Visitor (“one that visits”) includes the caveat (at least in some of the definitions) that it is “an act of friendship or courtesy”, implying that implicit permission for the act has been granted.
The word “immigrant” has no such caveat.
See, Mr. Spider, you’re learning already. Don’t you feel special?