another game…another referee error… a german defender saved a goal with his hand… referee didn’t give a penalty…which he should have…
why the fuck doesn’t FIFA use television replays to assist the fucking blind referees ? i mean, they take a minute to argue the decision anyway on the field…might as well take 30 seconds to review a replay…
i’ve never seen so many referee errors in a World Cup tournament.
to name a few (very few):
3 valid goals from italy disallowed.
wrong red card to totti.
no goal given to belgium against brazil.
several wrong and apalling offside decisions.
the most pissing off incorrect red card to ronaldinho. it affects not only the current match but even the next which he is barred from playing.
i think all these decisions could easily be reviewed in a replay…taking no more time to decide than they take to argue it out on the field anyway…i’m not saying use replays for all decisions…but use it when the ball is anyway out of play and the ref has to decide whether it was a red card or a penalty or whatever… i don’t see it wasting any more time and i don’t see why FIFA can’t use technology to assist the blind fucked refs and their even blinder assistant refs.
even the FIFA president sepp blatter has admitted that the refereeing has been apalling…
it’s fucking my mind and screwing up the world cup… help me…
ONCE AGAIN THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS NATION OF GERMANY BEATS DOWN THE EVIL SATANIST, BOURGEOIS CAPITALIST OPPRESSOR PIG DOGS OF THE UNITED STATES. THEY KICKED OUR ASS IN WWII AND THEY’VE DONE IT AGAIN!!!
Sure, the ball hit him (German defender) in the hand/arm, but the he obviously didn’t move his arm at all, he was just standing in the goal. I know next to nothing about soccer but the announcers stated over and over again that if he didn’t move his hand it wasn’t to be considered a foul. “The ball played him” was the term they used.
If that is the rule, and it sounds very reasonable to me, I have no problem with the goal being disallowed and no penalty assessed.
I enjoyed the game very much, I thought we played well, had lots of good chances to score and hung in there against an opponent that seemed much more skilled than we were. I didn’t like all the fouls we committed, play hard but play clean.
well, American football tried the same thing with instant replays and it ended as a miserable failure. Not to say that soccer also is doomed to failure, but once there is replay the tendancy is to argue every call.
I agree the Italians took it in the shorts. I still can’t believe Totti got red carded when the other guy clearly impacted his leg.
Twist, yeah, I know. I was just correcting a minor point.
However, even though there are no timeouts, there are limited substitutions. It’s conceivable that those could be used instead. I’m not saying it’s a good idea, but they could do it.
My co-worker is from Croatia and he is somewhat amazed at the restraint the Americans who care and the announcers are showing about that handball on the line. He says that a Croatian cannouncer would never concede that it was the correct call and can you imagine the headlines in the Sun if it had happened to England. yet the US announcers and the newspapers I have read have all said how it was the correct call. I don’t know, but I think if it is the correct call then the rules need to be changed so that a ball cannot be kept out of the goal even on an inadvertant handball. Elsewhere on the field I think the rule is fine, but not right on the goal line.
it’s an arguable decision… but as i see it, it should have been a red card and a penalty… inadvertant handball is allowed…but this didn’t seem to me as a full force deflection of the ball… i saw it more as avoidable…i.e. defender had time and opportunity to remove hand…
so i would call it red card and penalty…
regardless of this incident, i just see the refereeing at this world cup as abhorrent…
i sincerely hope they choose pierre luigi collina for the finals…
I dunno, I thought it was a bang-bang play, the defender was standing next to the post, the ball bounced off the goalie and hit him. What’s he supposed to do? Run away when the ball nears him? His arm was at his side, if he had time to move, he’d have moved into the ball and not let it hit his arm at all.
If he had moved his arm at all towards the ball, I’d be right with you, but he didn’t, and I don’t think he should have been red carded just for being smacked by the ball in the wrong spot. Maybe there’s a rule here I don’t know about, but I just don’t think a guy should get ejected for standing when the ball comes by.
And furthermore, when Ronaldinho stomps with his cleats up like that, it doesn’t make much of a difference whether or not he touched him. To say that he shouldn’t get a card because he didn’t really touch anyone betrays a misunderstanding of the rules.
Franz Beckenbauer, who is the head of German football association and knows a heck of a lot more about the sport than most, said “It’s actually a clear penalty kick when one’s hand touches the ball on the goal line,” he said. “It should have been a penalty.”
Anyway, I thought the ball cleared the goal line and should have been a point anyway. But that’s the breaks. And you really can’t know what would have happened after. Perhaps Germany would have anyway scored another goal. After this game I have a low estimation of Mr. Dallas’ abilities, but he was the ref during the game and you have to live with the call.
I did think that ESPN’s announcer’s quick capitulation on the call was a bit appalling. But I’m sure that Ty Keough and Jack Stone know more about football than der Kaiser. :rolleyes:
Cheesesteak, yes i understand your arguement… therefore, if the referee saw it as an unintended handball he could choose to ignore it altogether… but in my view it was intentional by the fact that he moved toward defending the ball with his body but it ended up coming off his thigh and hitting his hand… so i see it as a penalty… i reiterate that this remains an arguable decision, since it is possible that there was absolutely no intention and it was unavaoidable and an accident… but i personally do not subscribe to that view…
ok now that we have the penalty yes or no decision out of the way… there is a rule ( i’m glad that this world cup has brought about an opportunity for more people to understand the rules of the game) that if a defender uses his hand to prevent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity ( in this case it was preventing a clear goal ) he should be shown the red-card and sent off…
so if you see the handball as non-deliberate, then no penalty no red card.
but, if you see it as handball and penalty, then by definition of the rules of the game, it has to be a red-card. there is no leniency in the rule on this point. a lot of other cases a referee can choose whether to show a yellow or red…but in the case of handball preventing a goal the rule is explicit and therefore automatic send-off occurs… i know that most people would react that he doesnt deserve to be red-carded for that (in the imaginary case that he had been) but that is an understandable reaction from people who might not be aware of the existance of this explicit rule…
the ball didn’t cross the line in my view… in football, the entire ball must cross the line…so even 1/10th on the line is still not a goal…
KarmaComa…now, on the ronaldinho send-off issue… as i saw it, ronaldinho had his foot ON the ball, mills came in and won the ball, ronaldinho’s foot followed onto mills’ foot/ankle. i might have in the harshest of circumstances given it as a yellow, but never a red, qualified by the fact that ronaldinho had his foot on the ball before mills came in for it… as i see it i wouldn’t even give a foul. atleast the penalty issue was arguable…this is not even arguable… a gross error by the referee…
No, they suck. Talk about passionless! I flipped over to Univision and stuck around, cause at least I could here excitement in their voices. Who cares if you don’t speak spanish, it’s not like the commentary on the US stations is that deep anyway.
Interesting fact I picked up in this Wash Post article: “Edwards and Keough actually are calling the games from South Korea, but ESPN’s second-string teams are calling the games while watching from the network’s headquarters in Bristol, Conn.” Which is just so sad when you think about it.
I think the best argument for awarding a penalty kick is the fact that Ty Keough thinks it isn’t a penalty kick. He’s useless.
I think it was a penalty. His hand prevented the ball from crossing the line. The way the rule is generally applied is that a handball that effects the play in such a manner is a penalty.
I’m not even sure the officials saw the handball, though. It happened pretty fast and I had to look closely even the slow motion replay.
I’m not losing sleep over the non-call, though. It was tough to see. I’m just really, really pleased with the US team’s performance.
Let’s not forget that the US team got away with an obvious punching of the ball to prevent a goal in a previous game. The officials didn’t see it but it was certainly captured on tape.
Utterly outrageous. It would have been Spain’s golden goal - and they had two goals disallowed in the ninety minutes.
I have a nasty taste in my mouth over this. I think the Spanish sporting press and the Italian sporting press should get together and see if they can dig up any dirt.
There may be no dirt. It may well be just incompetent officials feeling intimidated by the huge home crowd.
If Korea get through to the finals, I’m glad they’ll be in Japan, and surely the one and only Pierluigi Collina must be the man to officiate.