Battlestar Galactica 2.20 — "Lay Down Your Burdens, Pt 2" (the spoilers have a plan)

Since when did Six get the name Gina, anyway? I don’t remember ever hearing the name on the show.

Six has different names. The one who showed up in season 1 and accused Baltar of treason was Ms. Godfrey. The one captured & tortured on Pegasus was named Gina. They’ve never given a name to the original one from Caprica whom Baltar had a relationship with, and eventually became Halluci-Six.

Yep. I’d assume that there was plenty of moving around between the colonies - it’s just a general trend.

Something is bothering me about the Chief and Cally. Two episodes ago, the Chief, in the middle of a nightmare, beat Cally to a pulp. Was this just to set up the introduction of The Priest, and/or to get the Chief & Cally together? If it was, I’m sure that they could have done a much better job at both. At this time, it seems so out-of-character.

And, despite his status as ‘the guy who keeps the birds in the air’, why wasn’t the Chief spending significant time in the brig?

Gina was that specific Six’s human cover name aboard Pegasus before the Cylon attack. It was mentioned in one of the Admiral Cain episodes. Remember, she was a plant who was caught in some unspecified sabotage before/during the attack, so she was interacting with the crew as a human. They also left unclear why she was aboard - don’t know if she was Fleet, or a Marine, or a defense contractor.

On the question of why the fleet was so understaffed (aside from the plot planning reasons that they want Starbuck and Chief Tyrol on the planet for the next story arc) - I’d guess that for the first few months, the fleet stayed fully staffed and ready for a Cylon attack. After a while, when the Cylons didn’t appear, there was probably some complaining both on planet and in space about putting so much effort into military efforts when there was plenty of work around for the colonists. After all, the fleet members probably have lots of talents and training that’s pretty applicable to what the colonists need to do - Chief Tyrol alone is probably the most useful guy on the whole planet. As time passed, more and more military migrated to the planet to do something useful instead of keeping a full military presence going. They probably had some sort of reservist call up plan in place, which was overtaken by events when the Cylons arrived in force.

Actually, I’m pretty sure the name Gina hasn’t been said on-screen. Ron Moore decided to unofficially give the character the name on the set (and in the script? not sure) as a behind-the-scenes in-joke, tweaking the nose of the old-school Galactica fans who hate the new incarnation and therefore call it “Galactica In Name Only.” GINO. Get it? So while I’m fairly certain the character has never actually been referred to as Gina in any of her appearances, Ron calls her that during his podcasts, so the name has caught on.

D_Odds, I also wondered why Tyrol didn’t spend a week in the brig for pounding the snot out of Cally. When Brother Cavell first appeared and said he was responding to Tyrol’s request for “religious counseling,” I initially assumed this was in connection with the latter’s incarceration, partly because he needed it and partly because it would look good to the parole board or whatever. Later dialogue, though, made it clear Tyrol was a free man, seeking this meeting voluntarily. I mean, it’s not like “but sir, I woke up from a nightmare” would really fly as an excuse when you’ve broken somebody’s jaw. On the other hand, Tyrol is certainly on the Top Ten List of People They Absolutely Cannot Do Without, so they wouldn’t want him in the slammer indefinitely. But it’s strange we didn’t even get a hint of a slap on the wrist or anything.

On the larger subject of the flashforward, I’ve watched the show again, and the idea is really starting to grow on me. I don’t think it’s a reboot; I think it’s a detour, to shake up the relationships, before they get back to space and resume the search for Earth. (And Ron Moore’s interview seems to support this interpretation.)

Mostly, I think, I’m just devilishly amused by the huge balls required even to try something like this. Sure, it may turn into a train wreck, and anyone who followed the Enterprise threads knows I’m not shy about complaining when something doesn’t work — but my God, when was the last time a show like this tried to pull off something so totally audacious?

I’ve got a friend who’s a fellow Galactica freak who doesn’t get the Sci-Fi channel. I’m going to show him the two-part finale on Thursday. I can’t wait to see his reaction. :smiley:

I seem to recall hearing Cain, or maybe the XO, say it, once only though. Anybody got a transcript?

It might be, if there were no motive. Callie made a point of immediately and completely forgiving him, too, spoken through a wired jaw nonetheless. I don’t see any problem with him agreeing to get counseling instead of a useless incarceration - they needed him back and functioning.

God, not gods? Uhoh. Somebody’s a Cylon.

You know, I’d swear I heard it on screen once, but thinking back, the Peg crew had gone as far as possible to treat her as an object, so your explanation makes more sense. Certainly Admiral Cain never referred to her as anything but “it.”

There’s only 12 meat models, maybe she can eventually alienate all of them and become each one’s personal target for revenge.

It is good for one to have short term goals.

They keep referring to themselves as machines, so maybe they are “built.” I keep thinking about that amazing DNA-cellular resconstruction device they used towards the beginning of The Fifth Element movie. They build the DNA molecule by molecule, then a slurry of various tissue cells and then more or less “print” a new body layer by layer. That would explain how Dean Stockwell’s character could be built to whatever “age” they desire him to be, yet still have them being machines. Sorta.

As for whether or not Gina’s name was ever actually used on the show - well we’ve got a loooong time to rewatch the episodes to find out for sure. We’ll get to the bottom of that.

:smiley:

(I rewatched the miniseries last night. Good stuff.)

And you’re certain how?

Tyrol… - is there any reason to believe anything other than Cally just not pressing charges? Seems kind of obvious to me.

Oh, and John sure there are 12 meatbag Cylons and 12 colonies. I’ll bet there were also 12 Lords of Kobol, weren’t there? Or, possibly, a 13th that was the BossGod? All this has happened before, etc.

-Joe

Since they were going to “box” the eight, it would seem unlikely that they would let them go to New Caprica. Perhaps it is another Six and Eight putting yet another one over on the humans. Perhaps Sharon and the Six put one over on the other Cylons and are going to help the humans.
There are many possibilities to mull over until October.

Sorry, but I still don’t see how it follows that the Six was saw was Caprica Six and not Gina Six.

-Joe

Gina set off the nuclear weapon on Cloud Nine to signal the Cylons.
The ressurection ship was destroyed, so she couldn’t download to it.

Didn’t she help the humans blow up the resurrection ship so she couldn’t be reincarnated?

Sure, because nobody would ever think to invent a backup…

I imagine that Dean Stockwell (Mark 2) was happy to get his ass thrown into an airlock when death would be permanent. Especially when he was delivering a message that could be delivered by a frakkin’ postal carrier.

-Joe

I think there was only one. The behavior of the raiders in the Scar episode was mentioned to be due to the absence of the ressurection ship.
Moore seemed to indicate in his comments there was only one.
It would also negate the efforts of Our Heroes in the episode. :slight_smile:

Not really. It made the Cylons back off for a while.

Besides, Boomer got her ass capped by Cally, right? When she did, where did she show up? Not on the Ship…

I think there’s another one. I don’t see the Cylons risking FINAL DEATH when they can just build another ship and, look, we’re immortal again.

-Joe

Perhaps she showed up on the ship and took a bus somewhere else. :slight_smile:

Anyway. we have our differing opinions, and, as the old saying goes, “opinions are like sexual acts with Starbuck…everybody has one.”