Even better. Rumors start among the captive humans of the “Lost Colonial Fleet” on its way to rescue them. Sharon feeds false sensor images of “The Lost Colonial Fleet” into the Cylon net. Cylons respond in force. Galatica, Pegasus and company jump in and begin the evacuation. Cylons realize they’ve been had, haul ass back to New Caprica, arriving just as the evacuation is winding down. Galactica and fleet jump out while Pegasus stays behind to fight a rearguard action.
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It’s her inherant humanness that makes her the perfect specimen. If we can somehow capture her rebelliousness and intuition it will make us into the perfect species!
-Joe
Just watched the episode last night.
Since the people have elected Baltar and are going to live on New Caprica, I’m trying to justify the character’s motivations.
The entire direction of humanity rests on Adama’s shoulders. He’s sitting in Roslyn’s office contemplating her attempt at rigging the election. He reviews in his mind what he’s thought many times before. “I’ve come through the ranks and learned the value of chain of command and loyalty. I’ve come a hairs breadth short of assasinating my commanding officer. On my watch we’ve destroyed a ship, we’ve thrown a [del]man[/del] Cylon out an airlock. We’ve taken a baby from [del]her[/del] its mother. So many things. And now we can keep ourselves in control. Balter’s wrong, but am I right? Do we destroy our soul to preserve - what?”
“One Year Later…” we have Adama seeing that the Cylons aren’t finding us, or not wanting to find us. The people live in tents, but they are living the way they choose to live. We could still be running after a year, living on ships. Who knows how many ships would still be running after a year and whether our mining ships and hydroponics would still work. He’s complacent beacuse there’s no immediate threat. His job, however is to remain vigilent, like the lighthouse keeper.
Roslyn is teaching because she loves doing that. It doesn’t mena she’s not still leading a campaign to return to the presidency. She could just be a part-time teacher. A new world needs all the teachers it can get.
Without an immediate threat, Starbuck turns to thoughts of a family life. She could never have a family in the service, but she could in civilian life - as long as she didn’t go nuts from boredom.
The only thing that doesn’t really fit is Tent-City. I even saw this two or three stroy walkway in the background. I think they could salvage and create some buildings. They could use the mining ship and parts from the ships that were blown up. They could even hold off shore leave until buildings were built. The whole Tent-City thing is just a little too simplistic.
What would be interesting is the Cylon helping the humans by providing materials and medicines and Toasters to help plant trees and make the place look just like Caprica. Then people would say “Hey, you military dumbies! Why didn’t you tell us they could help us like this? Come on, give me more Cylon!” The best way to get your enemies cooperation is to make them fight amongst each other.
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Except, who crews her? I guess they could come up with some reason for Lee to not be aboard when she is lost.
If you have a gazillion basestars, the colonials would still be outnumbered if Pegasus survived, so maybe losing her isn’t required of the plot.
No, but he’s already address the genetic bottleneck and the possibility of extinction without breeding.
Don’t you think that, behaviorally, she turned out to be a PITA because of her fucked up childhood? Remember when she was in the Cylon hospital on Caprica and Dr. Simon asked her who broke all her fingers? Think that has anything to do with her problem with authority?
Starbuck has amazing reflexes, is highly intelligent, has a great body. She’s an ideal specimen in a lot of ways, if they intend to breed humans with Cylons and want the best possible results.
She’s got attitude problems stemming from her abusive mom sure, but she’s also naturally one of those Alpha-dog people who, left to their own devices, end up leading rebellions, etc.
You mean like the one the Cylons staged against Hunamity? 
And that negates her other qualities for the gene pool how? She’s badly behaved but has fantastic neurological and physiological qualities. She may be the most versatile, bright, and skilled nubile woman the species has who can still breed. Not sure what’s going to happen next, but if I were the Cylons I’d find a way to include her in my hybrid gene pool.
Already done. Remember “The Farm”?
They didn’t actually do it, did they? She was scheduled for surgery the next day, but she overheard them and broke out, I thought. This time, they wouldn’t play with the whole “this is a real hospital” bit.
I take your meaning, but if you were the Colonials and you could do it all over again, what would you do? Select for Cylons with an independent, rebellious nature or deliberately select for the calm, docile worker-bee type Cylons?
She’s got the mysterious scar on her abdomen. They didn’t successfully impregnate her obviously (I’m hoping Leoben wants to hit that), but they may well have harvested eggs. At any rate, it seems they took a close, exploratory look at her ovaries.
This is a nature/nuture argument when it comes to Starbuck. I thought the questions directed at her by Dr. Simon were to delve further into this for the very reasons you bring up.
Was this the only mention of Starbuck’s bad childhood, or did I miss something? Do we know it was her mom, or any other circumstances of her abuse?
True. I assumed it was an exploratory surgery, but you might be right, in which case, was the convo between Six and Simon staged?
Wait…
I remember the big about the ‘possibility of extinction without breeding’, but where did the genetic bottleneck come up?
-Joe
Yeep. At least, it was strongly suggested. Not that they used her body to gestate a Cylon hybrid, but that they did something to her ovaries… most likely harvested some eggs. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if there was a 13th model one of these days with short hair and an attitude…
It’s implied in the fact that the human race will go extinct in 200 years if they don’t start breeding like rabbits. No, it was never addressed per se, I don’t think, but it’s been on my mind since the “-50,000 humans left” fact has been trumpeted on the opening credits, the abortion debate, etc. It may never be discussed explicitly, unless the Cylons exterminate the human race further, which they said they wouldn’t.
Also, I just remembered that Starbuck explicited stated that she never wanted to have kids in “The Farm.” I wonder if that plays into the Cylons’ plans?
D’oh! Preview is my friend.
Which conversation in specific? All of them were staged, to a degree… but if it was the one about her having a cyst, or something, then that was almost definitely staged.
Also, since they’d already done some surgerical stuff when she came in with the bullet wound, there’s no reason to assume that they needed to do any explorin’.
Chances are, she’s missin’ a good few eggs.
I meant the one where she hears them talking about “doing the surgery” and then getting rid of her. I don’t remember the exact words, but when Six says they’re going to kill Starbuck, she says he sounds like he regretted it, and he said he did.
Huh. Maybe you’re right. I found this quote online:
[quote=“The Farm”}Pending lab results on the sample ovaries, complete removal will proceed tomorrow. If lab tests are positive, then subject will be moved to processing facility for final dispositiuon." “Is that regret I hear in your voice, Simon?” “If it is, it certainly isn’t any of your concern…”[/quote]
So they did take a sample and they were going to be “processed.” Perhaps they were going to do an IVF with the hybrid eggs? Could they just have put the fertilized eggs in someone else?
What I took away from that is Simon greatly would have preferred Starbuck voluntarily desire to mother a child, despite her misgivings about passing on a pattern of abuse inherited by her mother. Since Starbuck didn’t want kids, she’d be ‘processed’ like the other unwilling human females. Except in Starbuck’s case, it was all her eggs they were after, not just the use of her uterus as an incubator.
Good point. I’d forgotten Baltar’s 18 years bit (not 200 years).
Whether he was telling the truth or pulling a number out of his ass to stick it to Roslin is another matter altogether…
-Joe
Yeah, it was decades, not centuries. I’d gotten confused with an ep of The Colbert Report where he says that blondes will be extinct in 200 years. Must sleep…
True, anything’s possible with him.