Battlestar Galactica 2.20 — "Lay Down Your Burdens, Pt 2" (the spoilers have a plan)

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If they’re going to sacrifice a ship, they should sacrifice the 50+ year old BSG-75, not the shiny new Pegasus. If you must, re-Christen the surviving battlestar The New Galactica, Adama’s Folly, whatever, but it makes more sense to lose the old girl. Better yet, let’s not.

Let’s not rescue the idiots who voted in Baltar, and who then stupidly colonised a planet solely on the fictions that a)The Toasters Are Done, Since They Said So?! and b)The Magic Space Cloud Will Hide Us!

And further, let’s please, for the love of the Lords of Kobol, let’s please not lead the Toasters to Earth, pretty please? Leave the 13th colony alone.

What we really need is a good Wave Motion Gun. Or those slicer beams from the Shadows or those Tropical Fish Ships from B5.

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Yeah, I agree, but it’s the name of the show. :slight_smile:

Again, I agree. We should not interfere with Natural Selection.
Seriously, I hope Moore will keep both battlestars.

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We don’t know for sure. Most likely her mother was the abuser. Starbuck said something to Adama, and I paraphrase very loosely, “well mom always said I was no good.” Then, when Starbuck & Helo were in her apartment back on Caprica she played music and Helo said it didn’t seem like her, she fondly referred to it as something her dad used to play.

So I figure if she’s fondly recalling her father & not so fondly referring to her mother to Adama, who seems familiar with her history in a “dad” sort of way - he is kind of a father figure to her - it’s probably her mother who was the abuser.

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Yep, Starbuck’s dad was a concert pianist. However, I’m not certain he was the best dad, either - I’m thinking he was probably gone most of the time. So she might remember him “fondly,” especially if Mom was abusive, but it doesn’t seem to me that he was all that great either. And (to heighten the drama), what if he’s one of those brilliant artists that have either a drinking or a drug problem? I don’t think that either of her parents will come out smelling like roses.

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I watched the episode again last night with another Galactica fan.

Question: Does it still make sense for Tyrol to continue keeping secret Baltar’s decision to shoot Crashdown in the back on Kobol? At the time, the choice was sensible; is that still the case? And if not Tyrol, any of the people who were there; Cally in particular seems like she might be pretty pissed about what’s going on, and we already know she’s a bit of a loose cannon (literally: she shot Boomer).

Clearly, Tyrol et al. chose to preserve the honor of Crashdown’s memory; but by now might that be less of a priority than undercutting the authority of their incipient Caligula? Or could an attempt to make hay out of the incident potentially backfire?

Seems to me it’s a still-slightly-dangling plot thread that warrants some pondering…

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I also suspect that the only reason the Quorum of Twelve haven’t taken measures to oust Baltar - by their own vote or by getting a referendum and letting the populace vote - is related to Baltar’s comment. He said something like, “Tell them to get off their fat asses and do something or I’ll have them arrested.” This suggests to me that the Quorum of Twelve are enjoying a better lifestyle of leisure than the general populace and are relectant to change the status quo.

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I think it’s kinda too late now to out this secret. They covered up the crime when it happened, which makes them complicit. If they bring it out now, they’ll look self-serving, just like Roslin couldn’t really call Baltar on being with Six before the Cylon attack. Baltar seems to have the devil’s luck, though the “stolen” nuke should do him in, I hope.

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Well… it’s too late to use the nuke against him too… and it would’ve been easy enough for Baltar to blame Galactica Security (or even Adama) for allowing the nuke to “be stolen from his lab”.

Devils Luck, indeed.
My question… Why didn’t the dreadus go nuts when the nuke was armed? Shouldnt there have been all kinds of “radiologic” warnings when she turned that thing on? (like there was when the missing frieghter showed up).

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It could be Baltar’s been a relatively well behaved president for most of the year and only recently started abusing his position & flouting the people & Quorum of 12. The Q12 probably are sitting on their fat asses. Except for Zarek. Wonder what he’s up to?

Now that the Cylons have occupied them, it doesn’t matter if the Quorum was making plans against him.

The thing I’m wondering about currently, is whether that’s really the Hero Six & Eight on New Crapica. Something doesn’t quite make sense to me.

H68 both loved a human. Six gave her life protecting Baltar from a nuclear blast wave. Eight gave up information about Cylons in the fleet to Baltar, to save Tyrol’s life.

They both die, get resurrected & compare notes. They decide humans are OK, help Anders escape & smash D’anna Biers/Number Three’s head in. They have 36 hours to convince their fellow Cylons the errors of their ways. Within a short period of time, apparently they do, and a Brother Cavil unit infiltrates the Caprica Buccaneers with a message for the fleet.

A year later it turns out the Cylons never gave up pursuing the fleet and when they find them, they show up in huge numbers.

So I’m wondering. Was Brother Cavil telling the truth? If so, then these are not the enlightened Cylons following Hero Six & Eight. They’re impostors.

If Brother Cavil was lying, this plan to lull the humans into complacency was hatched a year ago. Was it hatched by Hero Six & Eight, or hatched by the Cylons who don’t agree with Hero Six & Eight. Are Hero/Rebel Six & Eight still out there somewhere with lots of Brother Cavils, leaving humans alone? Planning on helping Galactica & Pegasus free the colonists on New Crapica?

I suppose the simplest answer is Hero Six & Eight couldn’t convince Cylons to just leave humans alone, so they’ve worked out a compromise: contain humans for their, and our (Cylons), own good.

But something about the way Boomer said “if you don’t resist, you won’t be harmed” seemed awfully Cylon-ish to me. It didn’t sound like the Boomer who refused to give up her human persona, still lived in her old apartment, still did her exercises like a good little soldier, etc. I guess that could just be all part of the act, to get the Cylons to go along with their plan for preserving humanity.

Also, we already know the Cylons haven’t really been out to destroy the fleet anyway, right? Seems like they could have at any time. But they’ve realized they can’t reproduce, they need humans to reproduce, and not only that, but they need to experience love with humans to reproduce. So they weren’t really going to destroy the fleet anyway. So how is this current occupation any different than the original Cylon plan?

Are Hero Six & Eight still out there somewhere?

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My head hurts.

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Yeah. At this point, the cover up would make them all look bad. Plus, it may not look so good for Callie to have it come out that she panicked, froze in the middle of battle, and refused an order (even if it was an asinine order). It was her life Baltar saved, after all. It would look pretty bad for her to criticize him for it a year later.

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You know, since so far they’ve only shown kinetic weapons and nukes on this show maybe they could do a tribute to the “Ice Planet Zero” episode of the original. Have the fleet encounter an astonishingly advanced unbelievable superweapon: an actual working beam weapon powerful enough to destroy a ship.

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My theory is that since Six and Eight had roughly 36 hours before being found out for the head bashing, they decided to “box” RoboXena; instead of letting her get reincarnated, her “personality” was taken out of the queue and either stored or destroyed.

Based on this, I have a new question:

If the personality of the brain bashed RoboXena is ever discovered and allowed to reincarnate, would the personality be too warped since it was isolated for so long?

Also, when’s Adama gonna get some booty? :smiley:

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One would think that the former president would visit the lighthouse once and a while. :slight_smile:

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Having Bittorrented the bulk of season 1, I think you’ll like it…Kinda sucks that this Dr. left at the end of the season, tho.

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I had the same TiVo issue that you had, although for me because of spring break travels and then resuming classes, I also missed the chance to re-record it because I hadn’t watched it yet to know it was messed up. Can you tell me (here or in email to opalcat @ gmail) what happened in the part that got cut off?

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In a nutshell:

Baltar silently reacts to the news about the nuclear explosion attracting the Cylons’ attention.

Then he says to the Cylons: “As President… I surrender.” The people around him mutter.

Cut to the long marketway outside, as a long column of chrome toasters marches between rows of nervously watching humans. We get a specific closeup of Roslin staring at the scene with horror.

Then we find Starbuck, Tyrol, and Cally in the crowd, also watching.

Tyrol: “What do you want to do, Cap?”

Starbuck: “Same as always. Fight 'em till we can’t.”

The end.

So there wasn’t a lot cut off, but it’s definitely important.

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drool I hope so…

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So, what did you think of the way First Wave ended? :slight_smile:

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Hopefully less of a rip-off of “The guns of Navarone” and with no annoying little twerp stowing away on the shuttle.