Except that Frodo left a backward culture for a highly advanced one. Which is the opposite case.
That new beginning for those people includes dying of dysentery when it’s completely avoidable. Coming into contact with parasites and pathogens that they have no immunity for because they were more or less wiped out millenia in the past. To being killed by natives who distrust and fear the new invaders. To being eaten by wild animals who haven’t yet learned the fear of man.
You’re right that it wasn’t a very logical analysis, that was damn clear. On the part of the characters AND the writers.
Other than their desperate desire to break the cycle on behalf of their species, that is.
Because then all of this would happen again.
They didn’t and couldn’t, of course. All they could do was their best on behalf of their races and their newly-redefined society, acting on their knowledge of the past and faith in the future. That was both optimistic and embiggening.
What guarantees can you make about the next 75,000 years?
Maybe you’d better watch again. That was left as a very open question. Remember Angel Six and Angel Baltar wondering about that out loud, while they wandered Times Square?
His interventions all helped the escaping fleet get to where they ended up. If He wanted the cycle to continue, He could have simply let it continue.
How you could reach your view while having actually seen the show is mystifying. phouka, the skinjob Cylons who had not joined the fleet were left alive but mortal and infertile on the Twelve Colony planets. There were Centurions there too, and we don’t know that there weren’t still Basestars and Raiders among them, either. The fleet gave the rebel Basestar to the Centurions that had joined them to go find their own future (that line about them having “earned it” was both noble and condescending, IMHO, echoing as it did the end of Jim Crow). So there was still some risk for a while to the new Earthlings of being found by vengeful skinjobs. At some point, only Centurions, of both persuasions, would be left to share the universe with them.
Which they roundly failed at due to their inability to transmit ethical obligations to a pre-industrial race that wouldn’t really understand what robot slaves are about.
No, as a result of their actions, it happened again, as shown by the ending.
Right they didn’t because they decided to go to a pre-technological society and had no sound method for transmitting ethical lessons thus insuring that it would all be repeated. But at least they were embiggened by it.
None, but if I setup a technological society that had the proper level of technology at a modern level where they had the technology to build robot slaves but chose not to because it was enshrined in their history and the foundation myth of their civilization, there’d be a better chance of avoiding it by far.
Yes. I don’t think it’s quite so open as you seem to. Times Square was just a hundred years out from robot slaves at that point.
And how do you know that he didn’t want to let it continue? To begin the same old cycle anew? Why would he have let the cycle continue in the past only to stop it there?
This is probably fanwankery of my own, and definitely a tangent.
The way I understand things Cylon goes like this:
The original Cylons, The Chief, Col Tigh, et al, were absolutely human as we know it. They broke away and established Earth 1 because they culturally adopted cybernetics and developed resurrection tech.
The Model Cylons with GSOPs were genetically engineered humans, optimized for the resurrection tech stuff. In the process of optimization, they lost/gave up the ability to reproduce biologically the old fashioned way, and had to be cloned.
The mechanical Cylons used human and maybe non-human brains for control. Developed by the original human Cylons, who took them when they established their own colony, but also redeveloped by the other colonies in the recent storyline past prior to the 2 wars.
Yeah, I’d walk away from all that and take my chances with the indigenous critters, too, if I were a colonist.
They were part of the 13th Tribe that left Kobol, and as such were an earlier generation of Cylon skinjob. That race in turn created an earlier generation of Centurion. The Five were scientists in a secret lab that was recreating resurrection technology, when all of this happened again and they escaped.
They created the basis for a society that didn’t have that problem. They gave the future a chance it had not had before. Their eventual descendants might fail, but they did not.
Open question. Already pointed out.
Was that an actual rebuttal, or mere sarcasm?
Well, there you go then.
Did you miss the part where it hadn’t happened yet? :dubious:
Because He intervened in ways that helped them avoid it. I already pointed that out.
Why does God do anything? Maybe He got sick of it too.
Except I always viewed the undying lands as heaven. Basically, an afterlife. Frodo and the Elves are still alive, sure, but for the purposes of Middle Earth, they are dead. Their age in this world has passed. At least that’s how I read it.
Similarly, the colonists decided that their time was up. They had achieved their great quest, and now it was time to lie down shed their burdens and obligations to the past and the future.
Right, but they set down the obligation to make sure it never happened again.
I guess that’s part of my problem. The idea that at one point you collectively lay down your burdens rather than carrying those burdens forever and ever, because that’s what life is about.
There is no reason they couldn’t settle down on the lush verdant fields and setup a society with a common philosophical agreement about enslaving robots and still maintain things like running water and electricity.
The whole idea that it’s technology that caused the problem is hokey beyond belief. It’s not technology that is the problem, but the ends to which it is put. As far as it goes the Cylons have mindless robot servants that they don’t mind keeping enslaved, such as the various working parts of the ships. It seems like it was ok to have robots doing work as long as they weren’t intelligent robots.
Basically, abandon the technology that led them to create second-class members of their society in the first place.
Got anything of substance? :dubious:
Then the pessimism you complain of is your own, not the writers’.
On watching the show. :rolleyes: God sent the angels to make Baltar open the colonial defenses, so New Sodom could be destroyed and the way cleared for a restart. God intervened to show the colonists the way to Earth. God sent Starbuck 2.0 back to help make sure of that. God guided the rebel Cylons to form the alliance, via the Opera House dream and the Xenabot’s visions of the afterlife.
The rebel Cylons emancipated the Centurions, by removing Cavil’s V-chips, and treated them as equals from then on (despite “Operation Get Behind the Toasters” when they invaded the Colony, but never mind). They even stopped Cavil from lobotomizing the Raiders. Even the Five treated the Centurions as equal fellow sentient beings.
Stick with the exposition that was handed to you on a platter with a ham-fist I guess.
I only talk to people who actually give even a modicum of thought about what I have to say, this isn’t great debates, I don’t need to deal with obnoxious attitudes here.
Doubtful. The training it would require to play Pyramid would result in a better physical training than your average savage. Kinesiology is a science, and has been developed over thousands of years via various sports/martial arts/dance and other physical activities. An organized group made up of marines and viper pilots will hand any pre-writing tribe their ass. Basic military discipline, communication and knowledge of physiology will give the advantage by far to the more advanced people.
Consider the Zulu regiments being disciplined enough to jump up and down on thorns. I don’t think the colonists will have much experience throwing rocks, either. They’ll also be better at communication, which without technology will consist of hollering at each other.
And remember that the colonists have been eating nothing but algae for two years. Their conditioning has to be suffering from malnutrition. And anyway, how are they going to get sexual access that way? mswas, it’s a pity you’ve chosen this approach instead of actual discussion. It’s a frakking TV show.
