Dear Beakerxf,
In several of my threads you haved asked me questions and I haven’t yet answered any of them. I would like to publicly apologize. I usually only use the internet for an hour or so an evening and I spend much of that time on the LBMB. If you can still remember any questions at this point,
I’d love to answer them.
Thanx,
jenkinsfan
ETERNITY: SMOKING OR NON SMOKING?
Itchy the flea-filled beagle hound.
I’m not beakerxf, but I play one on TV.
Here’s a question: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Of a european or african swallow?
I kinda, sorta, don’t know guys.
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Itchy the flea-filled beagle hound.
Thanks for the post. I kinda figured you didn’t post in big chunks. I’ll track down my questions and post them here later this evening.
Better find something to debate PDQ or I sense MPSIMS in this thread’s future, BXF.
JF, it’s from Monty Python’s Holy Grail movie. No reply is expected.
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen
Ok, I found all of my questions and rather than post them here out of context, I’ll just refphrase them.
All men sin, therefore all men are immperfect. What I wonder is if you believe if the bible, having been wrtten, translated, and interpreted by men, is without flaw?
Don’t you think there is more than just accepting Jesus? That you have the additional responsibility of living as Jesus? So is it possible that someone can live a completely horrible sinful life, accept Jesus, and not be saved?
What do you think happens to those who don’t accept Jesus but are honest and good people? Are they not saved? If not, do you think it’s fair for them to be damned, but for someone who had a life where they harmed more than helped, yet accepts Jesus?
The people in Jesus’ time are often presented as evil for having rejected him as the Messiah. However, is it possible that people were rightfully skeptical because of false prophets and scam men? I know that people like that in modern times have made me extremely skeptical. Someone else made the good point in one of your thread that Jesus didn’t fit into the scriptual idea of a messiah and he was rejecting long held laws. So people who were devout would naturally look at him askance. I suspect that if Jesus came today that there would be numerous Christian churches who have rejected him. I don’t really have a specific question on that, am just curious as to your thoughts.
hmmmmmm, somehow I suspect this thread is going to get moved anyway. Most likely to GQ.
Thank you for allowing me to share my faith…hope we can agree to debate each other respectfully…again, sorry for the late response. BTW, my responses will be written in italics.
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Itchy the flea-filled beagle hound.
Jenkinsfan said:
Um, with your deity supposedly being omnipotent and all, shouldn’t he have known that ahead of time? If so, why did he get upset? So, how does God feel? He feels like punishing anybody who doesn’t believe in him by torturing that person for an eternity – no matter how good the person was otherwise. Like I’ve said elsewhere, the god you describe is a petty dictator.
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Itchy the flea-filled beagle hound.
Either that, or he possessed no power whatsoever to stop Brother D from typing it!
Ok, I’m throwing in MY PERSONAL TAKE ON THINGS
I believe that the essense of the Bible is the truth and the Word of God, but I also allow room for some imperfections considering the fact it was compiled by men about 500 years after Christ died.
I believe that works is just as important as grace, and I am highly doubtful of Christians who do not work hard every day to make it to heaven. If men are imperfect, we should strive to perfect ourselves why we still can.
There are many people who have NEVER EVEN HEARD OF JESUS who are good people. I believe these people will get a chance in the after life to learn of him and accept him. There are many people who have heard of him who didn’t accept him, I also believe they will get a second chances. (Well it’s more then that, but I don’t have the time to write it all now)
Now, I realize these are specific questions for Jenkins, AND I realize he is not LDS and I am, and there a major differences. But everything I said had basis in either history or my own Church and doctrine I believe in. I don’t know Biblical references off the top of my head, don’t ask me for them. These are things I’ve always been taught, and things I have evaluated and accepted on my own. It’s just an alternate view for people to consider.
“The bitch, oh the bitch, the bitch is back…I’m a bitch cuz I’m better then you, it’s the way that I move
The things that I do…” Elton John
“People try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend…” The Moody Blues
“To start, press any key. Where’s the any key?” Homer Simpson.
Jenkinsfan rationalized:
As Slythe already noted, no, he didn’t “allow” anything. Since he doesn’t exist, he had no power to stop me.
But nice try at rationalization.
Well, I’m not sure if I’m going to actually debate. Right now, I’m just curious about what the Baptists believe in comparison to other religions. I don’t know as much as the other posters here, either for or against and would be ill equiped to debate religion. I’m just followiing these threads to learn.
Do you believe and follow the entire bible? I’m curious because Leviticus gets thrown around a lot in debate, but Christians really only follow it in part. How do know which rules are alright to follow and which aren’t?
Ok, I’m coming from a different religious background and was always told that we are all children of God. Why would watching one suffer for a 3 year period be harder to bear
than a multitude of children suffering for enternity?
I asked:
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4. The people in Jesus’ time are often presented as evil for having rejected him as the Messiah. However, is it possible that people were rightfully skeptical because of false prophets and scam men? I know that people like that in modern times have made me extremely skeptical. Someone else made the good point in one of your thread that Jesus didn’t fit into the scriptual idea of a messiah and he was rejecting long held laws. So people who were devout would naturally look at him askance. I suspect that if Jesus came today that there would be numerous Christian churches who have rejected him. I don’t really have a specific question on that, am just curious as to your thoughts.*
??? Is that your answer? It was brought up in the other thread that the messiah was supposed to come in dramatically. Jesus came in humbly. Why wouldn’t a devote, scriptual person doubt him as the messiah? He also seemed to sweep aside millenia of laws casually. If you had lived in those times, wouldn’t you have doubted him?
I guess what I’m asking is that if someone in this day and age made the claim, “what the bible could not do…God sending his own son.” Do you see what I mean? It’s easy to believe, as a Christian, that you would have believed in Christ. It’s quite another to have actually have been there, to have a lifetime of teachings and beliefs to overcome to believe in this guy making many grandiose claims.
I’m not trying to either prove or disprove Jesus. I’m just saying that when I put myselves in the place of those who were alive at that time that I can understand why they would reject him.
My opinion vs. your opinion…How is it that the Moderator seems to regard your’s as a “fact.”
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Itchy the flea-filled beagle hound.
It all boils down to faith, beakerxf. I hope you find faith. Thanx for yer curiosity.
ETERNITY: SMOKING OR NON SMOKING?
Itchy the flea-filled beagle hound.
YOu can come humbly and dramatically 
Jenkinsfan said:
What will it take to get your to understand that I have a name, Member?
Anyway, yes, it’s opinion vs. opinion – your faith vs. his lack thereof. I happen to agree with him because, well, I agree with him. That’s how. Not really a tough one.
You know, that’s another thing that’s always bothered me: why was a ritualistic blood sacrifice necessary for human redemption? I don’t want a “it was in the prophecies” explanation, cuz, according to y’all, God wrote the prophecies. So, does God make the rules, or is he bound by them? Why did he have to make a worldly materialistic hubbub?
Max, I know this does not answer your question, but your question is flawed in one point. It wasn’t just a blood sacrifice that was necessary, as you say. In the context of a Xian’s faith, it was the sacrifice of a sinless man. And in this case, in the context of this belief system, not just a man - a person who just so happens to be God.
And while this changes your question, it does make it more difficult. But I think it helps put it in perspective and see the severity of the situation - there have been many blood sacrifices in history, but no incident (historically proveable or not) like this.
Hope that helps a little…
Connor