Beeblebrox, what is your problem? Why do you keep attacking me out of the blue? Why are you so unable to understand that insults belong in the Pit, not in Great Debates?
Is it really so offensive to you that I’m trying to learn more about the creationist position? Do you really have nothing better to do than to fume over how “vain” it is of me to try to educate people?
Oh Christ, the first pit thread dedicated to me and this is what it’s about? Ben, it seems almost all of your GD posts deal with creationism. Don’t be suprised when I insinuate that you are a one trick pony obsessed with the subject. What’s worse is that you bring in outside straw men. “Look everybody! I found someone on the net who believes in creationism. Here is how I refute him” It doesn’t seem to matter to you that no one on the boards has said anything remotely like Dembski or any other YEC or ID’er.
You’re OP’s are always dealing with one subject and frequently do not even hold a debateable proposition. It grows tiresome to read these things because I know you are a smart guy. My advice is to take a walk, forget about the various creationist kooks on the net, and try to think up a real question for GD… And grow a thicker skin.
You mean you’re shocked that if you act like a jerk and a weirdo, someone will start a Pit thread about you?
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Actually, they don’t. Most of my recent posting here involves sexuality, for example.
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What’s worse is that you consistently ignore the fact that several people said that they found it very educational for me to present and critique the viewpoints of creationist experts. I keep bringing that up, but somehow you never seem to acknowledge it…
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Bear in mind, folks, that in the very threads Beeblebrox is referring to, I not only explain that I started the thread as a response to specific creationists on the SDMB, but Beeblebrox himself actually saw YEC’s participating in the threads.
It’s funny, though- it seems that in order to be declared a ‘vanity thread’ by you, all that’s necessary is for a creationist to be involved somehow. If people express an interest in seeing how creationists respond to the stumper questions, that’s a vanity thread. If I present my ideas about atheistic morality and the meaning of life, that’s a vanity thread, too. Why? Because it just so happens that the guy who sent me an email critiquing the FAQ is a creationist.
The problem is that you keep up this ongoing sniping about my ‘obsession’ and ‘vanity’ and yet the facts don’t seem to matter. (Aside from the fact that it’s not as though anyone can prove his threads aren’t ‘vanity threads’ anyway.)
Ben, you have started three seperate GD threads on creationism in the past two days and have only participated in one GD thread dealing with sexuality. Give it up, already.
I called you “Ben Quixote” to chide you a bit for chasing SDMB dragons that weren’t there. I’m a little suprised that that seems to have stung you so deeply.
Actually, if you look at the threads you’ll see that most of my time was spent on the sexuality thread, while the creationism threads were short, one-shot threads of the ‘technically this belongs in GQ, but…’ variety.
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So if I ask a simple question for my own edification, that’s chasing dragons?
This is, of course, entirely separate from the fact that you’ve ignored most of the criticisms in my last post- most notably the part about whether there really were no YEC’s around in the threads you criticised.
Yeah, well, I have this little thing about ongoing harassment.
Listen, Beeblebrox, if you really mean any of what you say, then the answer is simple: stop the harassment today, and never repeat these snipes again. What does it take to make you leave me alone?
Fuckin A, Ben, you whine too much. How’s about a deal. You limit yourself to one GD creationism diatribe a week, and I will ignore everything you say on this board from now on. Deal?
Why not simply ignore him without any “deals?” There’s a great new function on the boards which allows one to ignore any other poster. You’re so sick of the threads he starts, just ignore them. How tough is that?
from the rest of the conversation here, it seems as if my question above was answered. the “Ben QUiote” ** was** apparently the crux of the complaint as it were.
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wow.
Hells bells, if that’s what constitutes sufficient insult in GD to warrant a Pit thread, then I’ve got some serious work ahead of me!!!
Actually, Wring, I think it’s pretty clear that the “Quixote” dig was not the reason Ben opened the thread. He sees a pattern of harassment on Beeblebrox’s part, the latest comment being only, well, the latest.
still the “Quixote” comment qualifies for harassment?
Criminy. He’s obviously not been on the recieving end (so to speak) of some of our more, well, blunt GD’ers (a certain acerbic gentleman with a penchant for the race threads comes to mind ).
I’ve not really crossed swords w/Ben - but then again, I’m not likely to be found in the creation/religious debates anyhow.
But I also agree w/you that since the PTB (Powers That Be tm ) have decided to keep the ignore feature, this seems to be a good opportunity to try it.
Ben - unsolicited advice coming up. You apparently don’t appreciate/approve/like Beezle’s way of ‘speaking’. I didn’t see anything that (IMHO) constitutes an actual insult.
In GD, it’s fairly common to have one’s name mangled a bit, be pigeonholed, be misquoted, have one’s reading comprehension questioned. The way to deal with those (in order):
name mangled - that’s so, like junior high dude, like as if I care.
Be pigeonholed - demonstrate how the other poster has erred in their assessment.
be misquoted - use that dandy ‘quote’ feature.
have one’s reading comprehension questioned - demonstrate how that posters’ words meant what you claimed.
You’re free of course, to ignore this advice. AFAIK, we’ve never had any real dealings w/each other, so hopefully you won’t see this as a personal vendetta ( I’m not really on the other guy’s side either).
What I saw, is a poster (Ben) finds somebody out in cyberland with whom he disagrees. He posts it here, hoping to draw out folks to argue the point. and Beezle (whom, If I recall correctly, I’ve not really agreed w/in other threads), in answer to the question ‘who the fuck is that?’ makes a literary reference to some one who jousted w/windmills (the image that comes to mind for me is some one who takes on fights that may be better left alone). NOt a dig, per se, just a 'gee, don’t you have anything better to do than take up time arguing w/ a loon?
I’ll admit that at times, it’s fun to ‘debate’ the various merits/demerits of a Pat Robertson for example (hehehehehe), but three threads since 3/27??? on offshoots of the same issue?
“why should Cheany release the records about the ENergy Policy”
“why didn’t Abraham meet w/environmentalists”
“what’s with the Enron/Energy policy connection”
and you could start calling me quixote too.
I guess I don’t even see it as an insult at all.
:singing : To dream, the imposs---- ible dreeeeeeeeeeam
I dunno, it just comes across like a shoot-from-the-hip smartass response, you know? Like when you open a thread and the OP makes you go " :rolleyes: " and immediately all sorts of marvelous swifties come bubbling into your head, and if it’s in ATMB or Comments or MPSIMS or IMHO or the Pit you let fly, but if it’s in GD you sit on your hands. GD, to me, is where we try to be a teensy bit more civilized than the no-holds-barred slapfests that usually obtain in the other forums.
This is silly. The only thing Beeblebrox is trying to do is add levity to the situation. It helps other dopers wade through bottomless threads. You need to grow a thicker skin Ben, I’m not saying this in jest, but if you’re holding onto creationist beliefs then you will get a lot of crap about it. Is it founded crap throwing? Probably not. But realize that people have different views on evolution/religion then you do and some people may even be offended by the thought that their ideas are judged to be “wrong” in the eyes of others.
I think this is the first Pit thread that I’ve seen that doesn’t have the word “Fuck” thrown around like a $2 whore.
Eh, whatever. You can see how much I read into the argument. Is Ben a creationist? Did I make a blind assumption? Actually it wasn’t blind, because I actually read the links so that makes me…
A STUPID FUCKING IDIOT!!!
See, I can handle being call names you bunch of fucknuts…
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