I don’t think Vince Gillian really thought about it too much for that scene in BB. It was a footnote. When he decided to write BCS, then he realized he needed a back story for Ignacio/Nacho. I get the sense in BB that he was alive but elsewhere, or the redirect wouldn’t be all that pertinent. Saul is acting like a kid who just got caught by the teacher.
Ooh! I like that theory.
Here is the scene.
I’m expecting another twist in this chess game. Jimmy knew exactly what he was doing and is setting up Chuck. We know the future and he is still going to be a lawyer, albeit with a different name, in the same city.
The second half in French (?) is even better.
Oui.
I’m almost positive he’s referring to (Breaking Bad spoiler)
Victor, who he had worked with all through Season 3 and who had also just been killed by Gus.
Victor was/is Gus’s guy, not Mike’s.
Mike’s guy could have been his partner back in Philly, I suppose. Does that fit?
Agreed. You can’t be loyal to two masters.
In Breaking Bad, Victor was Mike’s subordinate and partner. They worked together just as he and Jesse ended up working together. When Mike angrily tells Jesse that he is “not the guy,” it’s very shortly after Mike and Victor part ways and Mike is a lone gun again. I always took that to mean that Jesse could never fill Victor’s shoes.
Of what caliber? He’s mainly known for his role in BB. He certainly wasn’t well known before, and it’s arguable that he’s very well known now outside of BB fans.
He’s been notable in a few Spike Lee films.
They were cow-orkers. Victor might have become Mike’s subordinate, but I think I remember at least one scene of him seeming to resent that, since he worked for Gus before Mike ever came along.
He was in the Usual Suspects. He was the cop waiting for the drawing to come though on the dot matrix printer. That’s a pretty well-known film.
Yeah, since Victor was seen leaving the restaurant in the Escalade in the last episode we can assume that he’s already working for Gus (or he really likes that chicken!
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Or anyone, like myself, who remember him as a regular on “Homicide: Life On The Street” or on many episodes of “Law & Order”.
Upon rereading, I have to amend this. I don’t think they were even cow-orkers, because I see Mike as much more of an independent contractor. And that would probably fit with how Gus handles any tension between the two.
Mike is an ex-cop with a particular…skill set. I don’t think he’d want to be paired with some two bit hood. Mike would want someone intelligent to be “his guy,” someone who doesn’t make mistakes.
OTOH, the conversation does take place shortly after Victor has been, uh… dispatched… so who knows.
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It’s just backwards for you. BB fans already know Gus and what he represents. So that understanding gets included in the scene when Gus is introduced in BCS. You, the non-BB fan, are seeing it backwards. When you know who and what Gus is, you’ll recognize the innocent, smiling introduction for what it is. In other words, the meaning of this scene will grow in your mind as the series marches on.
And he was introduced in exactly the same way in BB, too. Smiling, innocent, upstanding business owner, only later to be slowly revealed as a pretty violent and ruthless criminal overlord.
So I don’t think you’re missing anything. The innocuousness of his intro is the whole point. Whether the dichotomy between his public and private personas is slowly revealed, as it was to BB fans in BB, or already known and accounted for, as it is to BB fans in BCS, is irrelevant. I’m sure it was an interesting directorial challenge to reconcile these two perspectives. The point is that there are two Guses, and everyone meets the nice one first.
And talk of plot armor in this series is a little different than in others. We already see that part of the show is focused on Saul’s life after Breaking Bad. There’s no reason we couldn’t see the chronology shift to Saul’s point of view during the Breaking Bad years. So while we know some characters don’t die until after they meet Walter White, there’s no reason we couldn’t also see them die again in this show, but from a different perspective.
Also, someone could go to prison, get a massive injury that puts them into a coma, quit crime for a life of leisure on a beach somewhere, or any number of things that could end their run in this series while still leaving things open for them to come back when needed in Breaking Bad.
In a word? … LEISURE.
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