Vigorous practice jerking her knee.
Well, there’s another shocker, ehe? The difference is that I could see how some would feel that Biden won. I wouldn’t agree but I could see it. It takes a TRUE partisan though to take what we just watched and categorically state that the opponent of one’s party didn’t say ‘a SINGLE coherent sentence’ or that ‘I can’t understand how ANYONE can think she’s winning this’…
(this was, of course, directed at both of you)
Slimy dog that he is I felt that Biden actually came across better in this debate than Obama did in his debate with McCain. Palin came across MUCH better then McCain did in HIS debate IMHO (which I felt he lost…big time). Different strokes for different folks…but I think some of ya’lls bias is seriously showing here. I don’t remember this level of hate even in the Bush/Kerry debates…that kind of says something. And when you are reduced to name calling and dismissal…well, you know, it’s kind of sad.
But cheer up Obama faithful! This debate isn’t going to matter one bit in the end. The debate that mattered (if any) was the first one…and your boy won that hands down (IMHO). And of course the current economic melt down is decidedly in Obama’s favor, public support wise. Obama has pretty much won this thing, baring some kind of spectacular melt down in the last few weeks here.
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I’m not real strong, ok, I don’t know shit about Biden except that he likes to lunch on his toes.
YOU can NOT beat Man Tears. Sorry, the best thing Palin could have done was glide over that and pretend like she didn’t just get her ass beat. Sorry, but the married Mom card is soooo trumped by the Single Widowed Father Of Two Card. To this day, he will not work on the day of his wife and daughters death. The story of his married life vs. McCain’s shows infinitely more personal character. We need personal character.
If Palin winked at me one more time, I was gonna crawl through the tv, you betcha. The CNN ticker took a dive every time she went all folksy and mainstreety. It also seems like the watchers did not like the digs against their presidental candidates.
My husband, who is fairly ambivalent, wanted to either go to sleep or slap Palin. He was torn. She very, very much annoyed him.
And as far as her looking forward to asking questions, perhaps she should have taken the opportunity Just Given To Her.
Absolutely huh? Well look, maybe it wasn’t. To be honest, I’m skeptical with the sincerity of quite a lot of things politicians say or do, (which isn’t uncommon). It’s disillusioning and depressing. You know what though? I really don’t know and I hope he wasn’t.
Give her a break; Alaska wasn’t a state when the Civil War broke out.
The winking really bothered me.
Rick’s with the Illuminati. They vote on October 9th, and then they tell the US who won.
I was drinking on “Scranton” and I’m fairly buzzed. (OK, I’m smoking too, and I’m a lightweight w/ the booze…)
I figure, as expected, it’ll be viewed as more or less a draw, which benefits McCain by virtue of being behind. I expected more mush-mouth nonsense than I got. There were a couple moments when she started to slip, but came back quickly enough. CNNs color is fucking awful compared to CSPAN. And the tracking thing is annoying. (Ohio’s women need to kick the men in the balls.) I actually clapped and cheered when she happily endorsed Cheney. Overall, it was not as bad as watching McCain. He is a grumpy old asshole. She’s more of the hot-but-crazy teacher. I would totally hit it.
As Kristol just said, “It was match point against Palin, and she held her set.” America will eat it up.
[Jules Winfield] Say “Nook-yoo-lar” again. Say “Nook-yoo-lar” again, motherfucker, say “Nook-yoo-lar” one more Goddamn time! [/Jules Winfield]
Moving the election up. I can’t take another month of this crap.
Yeah, my wife wanted to strangle Palin. She had a bit of dislike as well, but seeing her debate cemented it. And my wife is pretty apolitical.
But yes, anyone paying attention would have to admit that she did better than many expected, but it still wasn’t enough. I expect to see her being taken out of the limelight now, as she has shown she just doesn’t have the chops.
It’s a Republican pronunciation and a tradition beginning with Eisenhower, who damn well knew better.
There was a quote in VH-1’s The Seven Ages of Rock about how Springsteen fans think that when he isn’t recording or on tour he works in a car wash in New Jersey… same sort of sentiment.
I wasn’t particularly impressed with Biden. Not disappointed, but not impressed.
During the segment where he talked about the theater commander in Afghanistan, General McCluwin (sp?), he didn’t mention him by name, and then Palin did mention him by name, but got his name wrong (she called him McClellan); most people watching the debate will probably think she knew who he was and Biden didn’t.
There were a couple of ohmygawdthisisembarrassing moments for Palin; at the beginning, when she totally ignored a few questions - like the bankruptcy one - rather than redirecting them.
She also fell back on her party pieces (energy! Alaska! Energy-producing state! Drill [del]me[/del] my state!) way too often. Biden did it a bit too- “back in my neighborhood in Scranton…”, etc. It was just a short step from “back in my day…” and two steps from “get off my lawn!” Does anybody really give a fuck about Wassila or Scranton? I don’t.
I think the bar set for her is that she has to look presidential–she has to show some gravitas and some serious command of the issues, considering how badly the Couric interviews came off. I don’t think folksy was the way to go. Although I thought she made some good points, I was too distracted by all of the perkiness and the winking. I don’t think that she just had to show up and not cry–they’re giving her plaudits for not completely being a fool, but I don’t think that’s where the bar was really set. And woe to her if factcheck comes up with missteps.
Biden obviously won on substance. She was well rehearsed, but also evasive and shallow. She showed no real depth of knowledge. She ignored a lot of questions, but Ifill didn’t call her on it. The media probably won’t either.
Biden is clearly her superior. She doesn’t really deserve to be on the same stage with him. But he was very careful and disciplined and was perhaps a tad too cautious when he could have called her some of her evasiveness and/or dishonesty. He didn’t commit any fouls. He dominated her on substance, but she didn’t say anything stupid, so the media will say she won.
As far as it pertains to the election, it will have no effect whatsoever. The polls will not change. She did not turn any tides. Her base will be relieved, but she isn’t going to change anybody’s mind.
All in all, the whole thing was pretty anti-climactic. It looked liked it had a chance to be a gaffe-fest on paper, but it turned out to be a pretty ordinary, boring, conventional debate. There were no memorable lines or moments. Palin will now begin her journey back to obscurity.
In substance and on specific issues, Biden was clearly superior.
I have to say, though, that Palin came off a lot better than she did in her Gibson and Couric interviews. Of course, those interviews set the bar of expectations reaaallly low, and the only way was up for her.
I think she also did a lot better because of the format–it was a lot easier for her to duck the questions in the debate than when she was one-on-one with an interviewer.
It struck me that she was advised to stick to the main talking points, no matter what the question was really about, e.g.:
[ul]
[li]McCain is a maverick![/li][li]I’m just a working-class mom from Main Street, America![/li][li]We gotta reeeeeign in that government spending![/li][li]Gosh, that federal government has gotta get out of the way of us regular American folks![/li][li]McCain is a maverick![/li][li]We gotta clean up Wall Street and all its greed and corruption and stuff.[/li][li]Obama wants to raise your taxes! [/li][li]He also hates our troops![/li][li]Did I mention that McCain is a maverick?[/ul][/li]
Oh, and be sure to smile a lot, shake your head and wink a lot. People will be so amazed by how cutesy and folksy you are, they won’t even notice that you’re not answering the questions!
Hate to admit it, but that formula probably went down very well with her targeted audience–those McCain supporters who were having second thoughts about her are probably thinking “Hm, maybe she’s not that bad. And, hey, her flag lapel was MUCH larger than Biden’s!”
To steal from Tropic Thunder: I’m just a gal, pretending to be a governor, pretending to be Tina Fey, doing an impression of myself.
The real question. How many can see her as president.? I think few will say , you betcha.
Well now there’s a real shocker that you would decide to snark on me in GD. Not.
The woman hardly answered any of the questions she was actually asked. She was told what she must be sure to get in there, and by god she was going to get her talking points and jabs in, screw what the question was. And half the time I couldn’t understand the utter gibberish that was coming out of her mouth. Much of it was completely nonsensical! All she did all night was spew talking point after talking point after talking point, wink at the camera and put on her best folksy accent. She has no genuine grasp of the issues, just what she’s been coached to say.
About the only thing she spoke with any authority on was Alaska and her “drill baby drill” philosophy, which Joe Biden made mincemeat of by reminding the audience that we only have 3% of the world’s oil supply, but consume more than 25% of it. Drilling won’t ever make us energy independent. And any time she didn’t like a question, or didn’t know an answer, she’d intentionally go back to that subject. As an observer trying to learn something about her policies or the answers to the specific questions, I learned absofuckinglutely nothing tonight.
If you can claim to have, then I submit you didn’t actually pay attention to the actual words that were coming out of her mouth.
Palin managed to juggle the talking-point refrigerator magnets into something that could momentarily pass for answers.
It’s a Republican pronunciation and a tradition beginning with Eisenhower, who damn well knew better.