[QUOTE=Harmonious Discord]
This is the most racist bullshit I’ve seen for a while, and I’m not going to touch this argument. I’ll just take note of certain players that have gone way down in my respect for them.
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*That *was racist and what **Dio **said wasn’t? Really? “Blacks are better at music?” What if I said “Whites are better at math than Blacks”? Would that be racist?
[QUOTE=John Mace]
Perhaps I wasn’t so wise, afterall, when he posts stuff like this:
That is just trolling, if you ask me. But what do I know-- it’s just my opinion. I’m not an expert troll spotter.
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I’m not sure I’d call it trolling, but I would probably call it something more unflattering than that, so I’ll refrain from comment.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Culture. I misunderstood what the study was claiming the first time I read it.
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And now I’m really confused. You read a study, misunderstood it, and based your entire opinion on this subject on that misunderstanding, despite the fact that you’re a musician and have an expert opinion?
Oh, for fuck’s sake, Dio, surely you’re not stupid enough to assert that “I like x better than y” equates to “x is better than y” for something as entirely subjective as music, are you?
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]
And now I’m really confused. You read a study, misunderstood it, and based your entire opinion on this subject on that misunderstanding, despite the fact that you’re a musician and have an expert opinion?
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No. I already had my (expert) opinions about music. I just thought the study made sense as an explanation for something which I had already observed.
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
Oh, for fuck’s sake, Dio, surely you’re not stupid enough to assert that “I like x better than y” equates to “x is better than y” for something as entirely subjective as music, are you?
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He’s an expert on the objectively measurable goodness of music.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I don’t believe race exists biologically at all (I see the difference I’m being pitted for alleging to exist as cultural, not biological), much less that it’s a determinant of anything and I certainly don’t discriminate, so I don’t fit any of this criteria.
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Wrong again, though that’s nothing new in this thread. Scroll down for six references on distinct genetic clusterings within major groups (races). Also see Lewotnin’s Fallacy, the most common argument against such categorization.
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
Oh, for fuck’s sake, Dio, surely you’re not stupid enough to assert that “I like x better than y” equates to “x is better than y” for something as entirely subjective as music, are you?
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If I say “Shakespeare is better than Rob Schneider,” do I have to put an “IMO” in front of it? Cafe threads are full of simple declarations about what sucks and what’s better than what. Only I get pitted for it, though.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
No. I already had my (expert) opinions about music. I just thought the study made sense as an explanation for something which I had already observed.
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But all along, you didn’t believe race exists biologically? Or this was a determination you made after you realized you misunderstood the study?
[QUOTE=athelas]
Wrong again, though that’s nothing new in this thread. Scroll down for six references on distinct genetic clusterings within major groups (races). Also see Lewotnin’s Fallacy, the most common argument against such categorization.
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Fuck off back to Stormfront, dude. There is no such biological category as a human “race.” The moron on your linked page talks about genetic clusters, but that’s not the same as a “race.” Keep your sicko, pseudo-science race theories out of my pit thread.
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]
But all along, you didn’t believe race exists biologically? Or this was a determination you made after you realized you misunderstood the study?
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I have never thought tht race was a biological category, I didn’t take the study to mean that when I read it. I thought it was saying that the brains were neurologically affected by pedaogical differences, not genetic ones. After reading it again, I wasn’t so sure it was making any neurological claims at all.
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal]
He just fails to recognize it, or rectify it.
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True enough. But (and I am neither speaking for him or defending him)–BUT, there is something about pile ons that make the focus of them not want to back down. Call it cussedness or stubbornness or stupidity or whatever, it is there. And I’m not sure I blame them. In a way, it’s like a walk of shame. I’ve participated in several pile ons and while I may have been angry at the time, further reflection makes me wonder what the purpose really is. Like the RO meme we have now (and it’s a great way to deal with all the slings and arrows this world delivers), the pile on is an almost ritualized tradition here.
What, exactly, is Dio supposed to do here? If he apologizes–to whom is he saying sorry? All black people? They so don’t care. All the black posters here? Why just them–surely we can find some white or other race that is offended for not being called musical? All the posters here? Most haven’t even read the thread. Should he name every poster he’s disagreed with in here and apologize to them? What is he apologizing for? For mis-speaking? For harboring unbeknownst to himself a particle of racial stereotyping that (as far as I can see, which may not be far) harms no one? Why is he apologizing for being human? We none of us are without our own petty prejudgements, no matter the color of our skin.
I get that the Pit is where we all bay for blood and all, but seriously–what are you all looking for here? Do you consider him the Eliot Spitzer of the Pit and therefore take glee in his shortcomings? What? I’ve never understood just what the piled on is supposed to do. For some here, nothing short of falling on a sword and being buried in unhallowed ground is enough–and even then, some would spit on the grave. I just don’t get it. So, forgive this hijack, but I needed to say it.
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
I wondering why Diogenes the Cynic isn’t getting the same pile-on treatment that others get for saying much less.
Are the usual suspects intimidated by him or something?
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I don’t know if I’m a usual suspect but I do know all about sticking my foot in my mouth. I will say one thing, Dio doesn’t give up and I guess if feels he’s right he shouldn’t. I always feel better after I admit I screwed up though.
Oh and by the way, Jeff Beck, Hello !
[QUOTE=Omegaman]
Oh and by the way, Jeff Beck, Hello !
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Great technique. Incredible tone (nobody can hit and hold one note better than Beck). Not exactly an influential composer, though. Even his signature song, “Beck’s Bolero,” was written by Jimmy Page.
[QUOTE=Ogre]
Sorry, anybody who singlehandedly destroyed jazz by inventing Fusion, does not rise to the level of Bach.
Fuckstick.
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OK, I wasn’t going to jump into this really and truly dumbassed ‘pitting’ but friend, Jazz, as it was in the 40’s and 50’s was a pile a milky dust before brother Miles blew the breath of cool into it. I’m not sure he’s on the same level as Bach, conversely, Bach has NOTHING on Miles Davis, still both were pioneers and visionaries in their own respective time and age.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Fuck off back to Stormfront, dude. There is no such biological category as a human “race.” The moron on your linked page talks about genetic clusters, but that’s not the same as a “race.” Keep your sicko, pseudo-science race theories out of my pit thread.
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Thjis was too harsh, Athelas, I’m sorry. I dodn’t like people of accusing me of being a racist, so it’s bullshit hypocrisy for me to turn around and do the same thing. My apologies. I’m still right about the biology, though.
Of course, you all realize that 2.5" o’ fun finally came up with an outrage thread we all agree with, right?
Yes, it appears the blind squirrel has finally found his nut.
What’s wrong with saying races have genetic/biological traits? That seems to be supported by science.
[QUOTE=magellan01]
Dropped out of school? Couldn’t handle all that object learnin’? For the life of me though, if I had the skill to be classical guitar, I could not imagiine choosing to play something else, especially metal—which I admittedly don’t get. But a good friend of mine I worked with was like you. I knew he had been in metal bands, than one day he started playing some classical Spanish piece. I was floored.
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With you there. I also love how some artists have blended classic Spanish guitar with New Age – Cesar Fornes Berlanga comes to mind…though there are quite a few more. You can find a few of them here: Nuevo Flamenco / World Fusion / New Age Classic? There’s the former master, Andres Segovia and the current one, Paco de Lucia.
“Coozy”?! What a doozy, poor Cousy. And as good as he was, Bird’s still The MAN when it comes to white b-ball players. Currently, hard to avoid thinking of Steve Nash when the topic comes up…