Bruce Jenner is becoming a woman

Exactly. And that is a matter of opinion.

I can think of virtually no examples where that’s the case.

Now a police source is confirming the MTA video.
http://news.yahoo.com/official-video-shows-jenner-rear-ended-cars-fatal-215003346.html
I wonder how many millions the wrongful death suit will be? Guaranteed there will be one. I’d certainly sue if it was my mom that got killed by somebody that rear ended her. The video indicates the poor woman’s car was barely moving. There was no sudden braking by anybody except Jenner.

I guess there’s a remote possibility of criminal charges? Seems unlikely since he was sober and there’s nothing pointing to cell phone use. The most they got is a cigarette in one hand. I don’t see a criminal case here unless the DA just wants to nail a tabloid celebrity.

O.K., I have to completely retract my previous statements speculating about the crash.

Okay. What examples can you think of where it is not?

In any case, using the term “professional ethics” to apply to me in my role as an office shlub is a bit of a stretch, since professional ethics are a real thing that really applies to people practicing professions.

But the code of ethics that applied to my CPA employer presumably extend to his employees; the CPA rule ethics rule regarding client confidentiality prohibits disclosure of client information without a client’s consent. I think if a client discloses something to the public at large, that constitutes consent. It’s sort of ridiculous to see it any other way.

This is inarguable in the case of Jenner’s transgender status. Regarding the money he was making 25 years ago, his salary was a matter of public record at the time. He worked for NBC and what he earned was in the press. The extra details… meh. It’s quarter-century-old information of no particularly surprising nature that no longer means diddly. Others may feel otherwise, and I’d be very interested to see any kind of codification of these issues that makes it unequivocal one way or another.

This interested me since I teach professional ethics, so I looked up the code of conduct. http://www.aicpa.org/Research/Standards/CodeofConduct/Pages/default.aspx

Presuming I’m right and this is the professional society, you left out a word. It says “specific consent”. I’d argue you don’t even have general consent. You certainly don’t have specific consent.

I’m bound by FERPA. If a student goes to the media and claims they failed all their classes (maybe they’re an athlete talking about grading) and a reporter calls me to ask what grade they got, it would be unethical for me (or my secretary) to divulge the grade without consent from the student directly to me or the university.

Whatever. I’ve made my point and don’t need to belabor it further.

But it was a fantastic point, made clearly and concisely. I was going to give a HIPAA example, but no need.

yeah not even fussed about the gender change change, but smoking… ewwwwwwww

And by a former world class athlete no less. I was thinking that if he’s planning on any sort of surgery during his transition he should stop smoking now.

Bruce came out as a woman in a 20/20 interview with Diane Sawyer Friday night. He has not revealed his female name yet

I watched about 15 minutes of the interview, during commercial breaks on Dateline which was a show I was mostly watching. I did catch the answer I wanted to know more than anything. Since Bruce has been married three times, to three very beautiful women, I wanted to know if he truly desired them sexually or was it all just a front. Bruce says he knew he had gender issues since about five, but that he isn’t gay, and actually laughed at such a thought. He says he has never been with a man and has no desire to be with a man. He says he’s always had sexual desire only for women. He goes to bed with those desires, but also at the same time wants to be a woman. Diane asked him if he goes through with the operations to complete him as a woman, will you still have desires for women which I think he replied he feels like he still will, and will be just with them.

I saw a brief clip of the interview and started crying along with Jenner. He seems so tortured.

Sigh.

I hope he finds peace.

I’m still seeing male pronouns. ABC News offers their reasoning behind that choice:

Of course, the irony is that as Bruce lives as a woman, she will be considered gay since she will prefer women. But as she said on the show, she considers herself asexual for now

It’s confusing how to refer to Bruce right now, at least until she reveals the female name she’s chosen

Anyone else remember Mad Magazine’s parody of The Incredible Hulk TV show?

Page about halfway down

David Bruce Banner: As a matter of fact, my name is “Bruce” in the comic book version. But the Producers felt it wasn’t a masculine enough name for TV!

TV announcer: And Jenner wins the Decathlon. BRUCE is the WORLD’S GREATEST ATHLETE!

:dubious::smiley:

As I said previously, from a media storm attitude this is all just fucked up. So fucked up in fact that I’m going to go ahead and say that I think there’s at least a chance that it is all bullshit! That Jenner made a deal with E! to do this to get his own reality show or special or something. Or it’s a combination of this and Jenner having a genuine inferiority neurosis breakdown from his emasculation via the Kardashian’s success and the crumbling of his marriage to their mom. I firmly believe that Kris Jenner masterminded Kim’s first wedding to that basketball retard simply for a huge payday (even if Kim was too stupid to realize it).

Either way, as long as nobody gets hurt, I’ll voyeuristically go along for the ride (keeping the above in mind) for awhile at least! :smiley:

You really believe people have sex change operations just for shits and giggles? :dubious:

Hail, you can’t be serious.

As I stated earlier, and as was confirmed in the interview: he begin the process back in the 80’s, but backed off because of his children.

(The show also confirmed, with just a sentence, what I said about his finances shrinking, not growing, at the time he met Kris).

The BBC is taking the same approach:

Sawyer addressed the pronoun issue during the show, in one of the break segments, talking directly to the camera. She said Jenner said that he was going to use “he” and she/ABC should do so as well